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And so, we have lots of evidence of him cruising not only McDonald's, but then also his old high school, Kenwood Academy, which was a kind of school that was renowned for its excellent music program and choir. Sometimes as a guest sometimes just as a drop-in, he would cruise girls at his high school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the videotape that allegedly showed Kelly sexually abusing a teenage girl\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I didn't watch it until I began making this docuseries. ... I avoided it because I thought it to be child porn just from the descriptions. But when I actually saw it, it had nothing to do with sex. It was all about barking commands at and humiliating and degrading this young, young girl.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She appears to be prepubescent, but we later learned that she was Sparkle's niece, and there was whole trial about that case. Sparkle was an R&B singer who lived in the studio. She was being mentored by R. Kelly. He was producing and writing her album. So, he met that victim because her aunt lived in the studio, as one does when one's recording an album, and her family, who were a family of musicians, would come by. He met her, Sparkle says, as early as 12.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On criticism that the survivors didn't go to the police \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That confounds me, especially coming from black people. I really didn't know until I started reading these tweets directed at me and some of the survivors that we had some fantasy about there being some vice squad dedicated to kind of busting down doors for black girls and to save black girls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We also have testimony ... about the Chicago Police Department giving R. Kelly a heads up when one of the parents, for instance, had convinced the police to do a wellness check on their daughter. At this point, she was over 18. They couldn't really make a claim, but they begged the police to at least check on their daughter and make sure that she was okay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Someone in the Chicago Police Department—likely someone who worked security on their off-duty hours—called him, and told him it was happening. And they got the studio ready and got the girls out of the studio before the police arrived.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On a pattern in the black community of protecting black men at the expense of black women \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We know that this system is unfair to black people—not just black men, but black people. We often rhetorically talk about black men being targeted and treated unfairly and abused in the criminal justice system—but it's black people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We know what this system does to us, right? So to turn to that system for justice is itself an oxymoron. But at the same time, we have a knee-jerk reaction to protect black men, always at the expense of black women. People like bell hooks and black feminists before me have written about this and talked about this and done scholarship about this, but nothing has changed about this. ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So this is something that we see generation after generation, and R. Kelly has a particular kind of love, which acts as a currency in the black community. He is singularly an R&B artist. He makes black music for black people ... and he has used that love as a cover.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On R. Kelly being sexually abused himself as a child \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What R. Kelly was as a child was raped and molested. He uses the word \"molested.\" ... So he has some kind of understanding. ... [People on his team] knew that he was abused. Many of them there were Chicago-based people who knew that family members had been abusing him as a child. That's deep trauma that needs real healing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'm not saying that at 52, which is the age R. Kelly is right now, when he has two very young women living with him, whose parents are looking for them, that there's some magical age when you are supposed to have a healing, because many people don't heal their entire lifetimes. I have childhood trauma that I'm still trying to heal and I'm five years younger than R. Kelly. ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's cliché to say, but almost all abusers have been abused, but not all people who have been abused become abusers. So there comes a time when R. Kelly is absolutely responsible for the harm that he's caused.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On why she wants to do this work \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When I started writing about hip-hop as a 19-year-old film student in New York, I was calling out the misogyny and the violence against women. And I'm sad to say I don't feel that there's been too much progress made.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I come from all-black Detroit city and I live and breathe in black spaces. And I want them to be safe not just for my daughter and me, but [also for] black women who don't want that safety for themselves, who've internalized the misogyny and don't \u003cem>think\u003c/em> that they deserve the safety and justice that they deserve.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Heidi Saman and Thea Chaloner produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Sidney Madden adapted it for the Web. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27Surviving+R.+Kelly%27+Producer+Dream+Hampton+Takes+On+Ecosystem+That+Supported+The+Star&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The activist, filmmaker and writer talks all things R. Kelly, in the wake of new allegations against the singer.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1550692640,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":29,"wordCount":1282},"headData":{"title":"'Surviving R. Kelly' Producer Dream Hampton Takes on Ecosystem That Supported the Star | KQED","description":"The activist, filmmaker and writer talks all things R. 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Kelly\u003c/a> engaging in sex acts with an underage girl. This is not the first time the R&B superstar has been accused of sexual abuse. Allegations have circled Kelly for decades; in 2002, a videotape surfaced that purportedly showed Kelly engaging in sexual acts with a teenage girl.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Until recently, the accusations did not seem to significantly impact Kelly's career. Though Kelly was indicted in 2002 on \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/683936629/r-kelly-allegations-an-abridged-history#indictment\">21 counts of child pornography\u003c/a>, a Chicago jury later acquitted him of all charges in 2008.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But activist, filmmaker and writer dream hampton isn't about to let Kelly off the hook. hampton executive produced \u003cem>Surviving R. Kelly\u003c/em>, a six-part docuseries focusing on Kelly's alleged victims and their family members. hampton says the series, which first premiered on Lifetime on Jan. 3, is currently streaming on \u003ca href=\"https://www.mylifetime.com/\">Lifetime's website \u003c/a>and will re-air on Feb. 25, is about \"centering the women.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/MrJvDouqb_s'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/MrJvDouqb_s'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>hampton describes an \"ecosystem\" that has supported and enabled Kelly over the years—at the expense of black women. \"There's a record industry that continued to do business with him in small and big ways,\" she says.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But hampton hopes that the tide is finally turning. She notes that the grassroots \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/685912752/the-muterkelly-movement-takes-its-protest-to-the-steps-of-his-record-label\">#muterkelly \u003c/a>movement has raised awareness in the music industry and helped limit the radio play of Kelly's songs. Since the series aired, \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2019/01/18/686641970/r-kelly-has-been-dropped-by-rca-records-billboard-reports\">Sony Music dropped\u003c/a> Kelly and Spotify downgraded him. Still, hampton says, \"we've seen five million streams of his music happen directly after the docuseries aired, and we saw two of his songs re-chart.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://www.npr.org/player/embed/695083431/696326012\" width=\"100%\" height=\"290\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003ch3>Interview Highlights\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On allegations against R. Kelly being well-known in his hometown of Chicago\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's really well-known in Chicago, for generations ... He would cruise McDonald's near high schools and have someone from his team go up to a girl, get her number and she didn't have to be anything. She didn't have to have long hair or short hair. [She could] be light skinned or dark skinned and have a great body or a bad one. All she had to be was young. And so, we have lots of evidence of him cruising not only McDonald's, but then also his old high school, Kenwood Academy, which was a kind of school that was renowned for its excellent music program and choir. Sometimes as a guest sometimes just as a drop-in, he would cruise girls at his high school.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the videotape that allegedly showed Kelly sexually abusing a teenage girl\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I didn't watch it until I began making this docuseries. ... I avoided it because I thought it to be child porn just from the descriptions. But when I actually saw it, it had nothing to do with sex. It was all about barking commands at and humiliating and degrading this young, young girl.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>She appears to be prepubescent, but we later learned that she was Sparkle's niece, and there was whole trial about that case. Sparkle was an R&B singer who lived in the studio. She was being mentored by R. Kelly. He was producing and writing her album. So, he met that victim because her aunt lived in the studio, as one does when one's recording an album, and her family, who were a family of musicians, would come by. He met her, Sparkle says, as early as 12.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On criticism that the survivors didn't go to the police \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That confounds me, especially coming from black people. I really didn't know until I started reading these tweets directed at me and some of the survivors that we had some fantasy about there being some vice squad dedicated to kind of busting down doors for black girls and to save black girls.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We also have testimony ... about the Chicago Police Department giving R. Kelly a heads up when one of the parents, for instance, had convinced the police to do a wellness check on their daughter. At this point, she was over 18. They couldn't really make a claim, but they begged the police to at least check on their daughter and make sure that she was okay.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Someone in the Chicago Police Department—likely someone who worked security on their off-duty hours—called him, and told him it was happening. And they got the studio ready and got the girls out of the studio before the police arrived.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On a pattern in the black community of protecting black men at the expense of black women \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We know that this system is unfair to black people—not just black men, but black people. We often rhetorically talk about black men being targeted and treated unfairly and abused in the criminal justice system—but it's black people.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We know what this system does to us, right? So to turn to that system for justice is itself an oxymoron. But at the same time, we have a knee-jerk reaction to protect black men, always at the expense of black women. People like bell hooks and black feminists before me have written about this and talked about this and done scholarship about this, but nothing has changed about this. ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So this is something that we see generation after generation, and R. Kelly has a particular kind of love, which acts as a currency in the black community. He is singularly an R&B artist. He makes black music for black people ... and he has used that love as a cover.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On R. Kelly being sexually abused himself as a child \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What R. Kelly was as a child was raped and molested. He uses the word \"molested.\" ... So he has some kind of understanding. ... [People on his team] knew that he was abused. Many of them there were Chicago-based people who knew that family members had been abusing him as a child. That's deep trauma that needs real healing.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I'm not saying that at 52, which is the age R. Kelly is right now, when he has two very young women living with him, whose parents are looking for them, that there's some magical age when you are supposed to have a healing, because many people don't heal their entire lifetimes. I have childhood trauma that I'm still trying to heal and I'm five years younger than R. Kelly. ...\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's cliché to say, but almost all abusers have been abused, but not all people who have been abused become abusers. So there comes a time when R. Kelly is absolutely responsible for the harm that he's caused.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On why she wants to do this work \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When I started writing about hip-hop as a 19-year-old film student in New York, I was calling out the misogyny and the violence against women. And I'm sad to say I don't feel that there's been too much progress made.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I come from all-black Detroit city and I live and breathe in black spaces. And I want them to be safe not just for my daughter and me, but [also for] black women who don't want that safety for themselves, who've internalized the misogyny and don't \u003cem>think\u003c/em> that they deserve the safety and justice that they deserve.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Heidi Saman and Thea Chaloner produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Sidney Madden adapted it for the Web. \u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27Surviving+R.+Kelly%27+Producer+Dream+Hampton+Takes+On+Ecosystem+That+Supported+The+Star&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/109568/surviving-r-kelly-producer-dream-hampton-takes-on-ecosystem-that-supported-the-star","authors":["byline_pop_109568"],"categories":["pop_4","pop_3","pop_1041"],"tags":["pop_3226","pop_3426","pop_3476","pop_3341","pop_3211","pop_463","pop_406","pop_1119","pop_3475"],"featImg":"pop_109569","label":"pop"},"pop_108809":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_108809","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"108809","score":null,"sort":[1548273501000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"people-still-dont-understand-what-rape-is-chris-brown-edition","title":"People Still Don't Understand What Rape Is: Chris Brown Edition","publishDate":1548273501,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>On Tuesday, after news broke that Chris Brown had been arrested in Paris over rape allegations made by a 24-year-old woman, it was easier to find fans defending him on social media than it was to find condemnation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/EdmundEdm3/status/1087756835145351169\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Vehement support for Brown dominated social media all day, despite his \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/02/showbiz/chris-brown-plea/index.html\">pleading guilty in 2009 to assaulting\u003c/a> then-girlfriend, Rihanna; the 5-year restraining order awarded to ex-girlfriend, Karrueche Tran that was granted after Brown \u003ca href=\"https://people.com/music/karrueche-tran-granted-five-year-restraining-order-chris-brown/\">repeatedly threatened her\u003c/a>; and the fact that he was among several parties \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/may/10/chris-brown-sued-by-woman-claiming-she-was-raped-in-his-home\">sued by a woman\u003c/a> last year, who claimed she had been held against her will and raped at Brown's house by rapper Young Lo. The outspoken and unquestioning public defense of Brown is a surprising twist, especially in the midst of the fallout from \u003cem>Surviving R. Kelly\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the most disturbingly common opinions was the suggestion that Brown must be innocent because he is simply too sexually attractive to need to commit rape.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/_MarquiseSimms/status/1087763204204359680\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/SuchAqueent/status/1087800744764428288\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/ElMeecho/status/1087725888152788992\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It wasn't just the fans saying it either. Brown's friend and collaborator Joyner Lucas wrote \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs8NhJPHUpr/\">in an Instagram post\u003c/a>: \"Anybody who actually thinks breezy needs to take some p***y got issues. Trust me when I say it doesn’t matter what city, state, country, or continent this n***a goes to, he can literally pick like a flower from a garden of bad bitches who wanna f**k and it’s that simple.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Florida rapper \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stitches_(rapper)\">Stitches\u003c/a> agreed. \"There is no way in the world that Chris Brown has to rape any woman,\" he said in a home video. \"That man can literally pick out of a hundred women at each show. ‘You’re coming home. You’re coming home...’ Whoever makes these fake allegations, you deserve to die.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/WORLDSTAR/status/1087813787254587392\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Since #MeToo went viral in late-2017, discussions around consent, power dynamics and sexual predation have consistently been in the mainstream. Much progress has been made, not just in terms of holding famous abusers accountable, but also in terms of opening up the conversation so everyone can enjoy more safety and autonomy in their personal lives. But Chris Brown's arrest has revealed how many people still don't understand the nature of, and motivations behind, sexual assault.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.sarsas.org.uk/myths-about-rape/\">rape and sexual abuse support group\u003c/a> in the UK characterizes rape as \"an act of violence and control.\" Merced's \u003ca href=\"http://www.valleycrisiscenter.org/sexual-assault/myths-about-sexual-assault\">Valley Crisis Center agrees\u003c/a>. \"Rape is not about sex,\" the organization's website states. \"Rape is about having power and control over another person. Three out of five rapists are also in consenting sexual relationships. This myth takes the blame off of the rapist and does not hold him accountable for his actions.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The assumption that rape is a crime specific to the less attractive people of the world—something that sexy people simply have no use for—is a dangerous stumbling block for survivors seeking justice. And the myth that desperate men just can't help themselves \u003ca href=\"https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201211/she-asked-it-the-impact-rape-myths\">has been proven\u003c/a> to imbue sexual assaulters with an even greater sense of entitlement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brown was ultimately \u003ca href=\"https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8494558/chris-brown-denies-rape-allegation-charges-dropped-free?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral\">released without charge\u003c/a>, and fans who rushed to his defense felt \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/LittleBigShemmy/status/1087840033866956800\">vindicated\u003c/a>. But if there is a lesson to be learned from this whole sorry situation, it's that myths around sexual assault and predators remain prevalent. As long as people believe that rapists all look and behave like the Harvey Weinsteins of the world, there is still a mountain of work to be done.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Chris Brown's arrest has revealed how many people still don't understand the nature of sexual assault.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1548276654,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":11,"wordCount":620},"headData":{"title":"People Still Don't Understand What Rape Is: Chris Brown Edition | KQED","description":"Chris Brown's arrest has revealed how many people still don't understand the nature of sexual assault.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"People Still Don't Understand What Rape Is: Chris Brown Edition","datePublished":"2019-01-23T19:58:21.000Z","dateModified":"2019-01-23T20:50:54.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"108809 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=108809","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/01/23/people-still-dont-understand-what-rape-is-chris-brown-edition/","disqusTitle":"People Still Don't Understand What Rape Is: Chris Brown Edition","path":"/pop/108809/people-still-dont-understand-what-rape-is-chris-brown-edition","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>On Tuesday, after news broke that Chris Brown had been arrested in Paris over rape allegations made by a 24-year-old woman, it was easier to find fans defending him on social media than it was to find condemnation.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1087756835145351169"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Vehement support for Brown dominated social media all day, despite his \u003ca href=\"https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/02/showbiz/chris-brown-plea/index.html\">pleading guilty in 2009 to assaulting\u003c/a> then-girlfriend, Rihanna; the 5-year restraining order awarded to ex-girlfriend, Karrueche Tran that was granted after Brown \u003ca href=\"https://people.com/music/karrueche-tran-granted-five-year-restraining-order-chris-brown/\">repeatedly threatened her\u003c/a>; and the fact that he was among several parties \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/may/10/chris-brown-sued-by-woman-claiming-she-was-raped-in-his-home\">sued by a woman\u003c/a> last year, who claimed she had been held against her will and raped at Brown's house by rapper Young Lo. The outspoken and unquestioning public defense of Brown is a surprising twist, especially in the midst of the fallout from \u003cem>Surviving R. Kelly\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One of the most disturbingly common opinions was the suggestion that Brown must be innocent because he is simply too sexually attractive to need to commit rape.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1087763204204359680"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1087800744764428288"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1087725888152788992"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>It wasn't just the fans saying it either. Brown's friend and collaborator Joyner Lucas wrote \u003ca href=\"https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs8NhJPHUpr/\">in an Instagram post\u003c/a>: \"Anybody who actually thinks breezy needs to take some p***y got issues. Trust me when I say it doesn’t matter what city, state, country, or continent this n***a goes to, he can literally pick like a flower from a garden of bad bitches who wanna f**k and it’s that simple.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Florida rapper \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stitches_(rapper)\">Stitches\u003c/a> agreed. \"There is no way in the world that Chris Brown has to rape any woman,\" he said in a home video. \"That man can literally pick out of a hundred women at each show. ‘You’re coming home. You’re coming home...’ Whoever makes these fake allegations, you deserve to die.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1087813787254587392"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Since #MeToo went viral in late-2017, discussions around consent, power dynamics and sexual predation have consistently been in the mainstream. Much progress has been made, not just in terms of holding famous abusers accountable, but also in terms of opening up the conversation so everyone can enjoy more safety and autonomy in their personal lives. But Chris Brown's arrest has revealed how many people still don't understand the nature of, and motivations behind, sexual assault.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A \u003ca href=\"https://www.sarsas.org.uk/myths-about-rape/\">rape and sexual abuse support group\u003c/a> in the UK characterizes rape as \"an act of violence and control.\" Merced's \u003ca href=\"http://www.valleycrisiscenter.org/sexual-assault/myths-about-sexual-assault\">Valley Crisis Center agrees\u003c/a>. \"Rape is not about sex,\" the organization's website states. \"Rape is about having power and control over another person. Three out of five rapists are also in consenting sexual relationships. This myth takes the blame off of the rapist and does not hold him accountable for his actions.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The assumption that rape is a crime specific to the less attractive people of the world—something that sexy people simply have no use for—is a dangerous stumbling block for survivors seeking justice. And the myth that desperate men just can't help themselves \u003ca href=\"https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201211/she-asked-it-the-impact-rape-myths\">has been proven\u003c/a> to imbue sexual assaulters with an even greater sense of entitlement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Brown was ultimately \u003ca href=\"https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8494558/chris-brown-denies-rape-allegation-charges-dropped-free?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral\">released without charge\u003c/a>, and fans who rushed to his defense felt \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/LittleBigShemmy/status/1087840033866956800\">vindicated\u003c/a>. But if there is a lesson to be learned from this whole sorry situation, it's that myths around sexual assault and predators remain prevalent. As long as people believe that rapists all look and behave like the Harvey Weinsteins of the world, there is still a mountain of work to be done.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/108809/people-still-dont-understand-what-rape-is-chris-brown-edition","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_7","pop_5","pop_1041"],"tags":["pop_3226","pop_3426","pop_3424","pop_3341","pop_3126","pop_406","pop_2822","pop_1119"],"featImg":"pop_108814","label":"pop"},"pop_106974":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_106974","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"106974","score":null,"sort":[1547562135000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"a-brief-history-of-terrible-menstruation-education-videos","title":"A Brief History of (Terrible) Menstruation Education Videos","publishDate":1547562135,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>Aunt Flo. Crimson curse. The Red Baron. There are infinite euphemisms for menstruation, but in 2019, we've never needed them less. Public battles over \u003ca href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tampon-cost/\">tampon taxes\u003c/a> and\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABch4VYOJZ0\"> access\u003c/a> to feminine hygiene products have dragged \"girl flu\" out of bathrooms and into the mainstream.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It wasn't always like this. Last century, periods were something to learn about in health class, then stay quiet about for the rest of your natural life—or at least until menopause hit. Handily, shifting attitudes to menstruation were captured decade-by-decade in the educational videos intended to teach girls what was happening to their bodies. Here's a rundown of some of the standouts, so we can see just how far we've come.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>\"The Story of Menstruation,\" 1946\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG9o9m0LsbI\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some handy period advice from Kotex and Disney's 1946 cartoon: avoid \"very hot water, or very cold water\" when bathing (!), be sure to bathe more often because women sweat more during their periods (\u003ca href=\"https://www.bustle.com/p/does-your-period-make-you-sweat-this-one-phase-of-your-cycle-affects-you-in-this-weird-way-8146725\">not true!\u003c/a>) and anything other than mild exercise, mid-menses, is literally \"wrong.\" In addition, period pain probably isn't going to happen to you (“To most girls, the menstrual period should bring no severe discomfort ... Perhaps an occasional twinge or a touch of nerves”). Should cramps arise, just suck it up and deal with it. (\"After all, you have to live with people ... Keep smiling!\") Finally, if you \u003cem>are\u003c/em> in pain, it's probably because you're not standing up straight enough or grooming well enough. Eff you, Walt Disney. Eff you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>1953\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsgHlWJ2s18\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This \"educational\" video winds down with a young girl cheerily telling a friend: \"You know I've got the curse!\" Before that, we get a wealth of terrible advice from Miss Jensen, a health educator who presents menstruation firmly within the confines of gender roles, not biology, describing it as \"the natural, normal process leading up to being a mother.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other advice here expands on the Disney/Kotex version of period-living where showering in the wrong temperature, slouching and \"square dancing\" are dangerous. By the end, Miss Jensen's presentation has descended into a sort of mania: \"You should be more careful than ever about personal cleanliness, and change your underwear more often, and be sure and use a deodorant, and pay more attention to your hair and your nails, and plan to wear your prettiest dress.” (For a film about periods, Miss Jensen sure doesn't like using them.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then mom goes and makes it worse by not knowing anything about basic biology. Asked why periods happen every month, she tells her child, \"It's just part of being a woman, I guess.\" Welcome to the 1950s: You're bleeding and no one will tell you why, but, hey, straighten those backs, ladies!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>1967\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpI9lknkZq0\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This clip begins with the notion that \"All women have periods,\" thereby erasing reproductively challenged and trans women from the picture entirely. Fun! Like the 1953 video, this 1967 PSA is absolutely terrified of biologically specific words. \"Blood from inside my body comes outside,\" a mom tells her daughter in a scarily unspecific manner. What's more, vaginas are referred to by three separate people as an \"opening between my legs.\" Surprisingly, that prudishness doesn't extend to the two close-up visuals of a blood-soaked sanitary towel. Take that, blue liquid from commercials!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>1974\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ueRMpM7Mc\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Amazingly, this \"educational\" video includes a 15-year-old girl introducing herself by giving her physical measurements (\"38-25-36\"); Mike from \u003cem>Breaking Bad\u003c/em> (no, really) suggesting his date is better at bowling because she just got her period; a creepy mustachioed dude eavesdropping on teenagers; rampant heteronormativity; and the trippiest cartoon about reproduction in history. One bright spot? The first mention of tampons so far! Woo?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>\"Growing Up and Liking It,\" 1984\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au72KwfYfvo\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At some point, some genius decided the best way to deliver information about puberty and periods was via an actress who had once played Annie on Broadway and some of her costars. There is random singing, mid-sentence; there are tales about the hard life of a Broadway child star (reach a certain height and get fired!); and there are abundant assumptions that interspersing educational clips with these theater actors somehow makes it more interesting (it doesn't, it just goes on for longer). At least it explains sanitary towel and tampon options though; the other videos make it seem like there's only one of each.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>\"Always Changing, Always Growing,\" 1997\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4qHUegNtPg\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Remarkably, this Always Ultra commercial dressed up as a teaching aid is the first to include valuable biological information since the 1946 Disney cartoon. Sadly, this one \u003cem>still\u003c/em> treats normal period-related misery as the exception to the rule. When a girl asks if having a period hurts, her teacher lies: \"Not while you're actually having it. In fact, many women say they hardly notice their period.\" (\u003cem>WHO AND WHERE ARE THESE WOMEN?!) \u003c/em>Then another teacher comes in and, on the subject of PMS, says, \"Personally, I've never experienced mood changes, but some women do.\" Stop lying to the children, Ms. Dominguez. Just stop lying.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Now\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These days, thanks to the wonders of the internet, reliance on the old, clunky educational videos of yore has gone down to such a significant degree, we're now firmly within the realms of both surreality:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvPVyas68jE\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And excellent (mostly Florida-based) humor:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEcZmT0fiNM\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We've come a long way, ladies.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"No cold showers! No square dancing! Make sure you're smiling and wearing your prettiest dress!","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1548200833,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":15,"wordCount":967},"headData":{"title":"A Brief History of (Terrible) Menstruation Education Videos | KQED","description":"No cold showers! No square dancing! 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There are infinite euphemisms for menstruation, but in 2019, we've never needed them less. Public battles over \u003ca href=\"https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tampon-cost/\">tampon taxes\u003c/a> and\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABch4VYOJZ0\"> access\u003c/a> to feminine hygiene products have dragged \"girl flu\" out of bathrooms and into the mainstream.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It wasn't always like this. Last century, periods were something to learn about in health class, then stay quiet about for the rest of your natural life—or at least until menopause hit. Handily, shifting attitudes to menstruation were captured decade-by-decade in the educational videos intended to teach girls what was happening to their bodies. Here's a rundown of some of the standouts, so we can see just how far we've come.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>\"The Story of Menstruation,\" 1946\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/vG9o9m0LsbI'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/vG9o9m0LsbI'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Some handy period advice from Kotex and Disney's 1946 cartoon: avoid \"very hot water, or very cold water\" when bathing (!), be sure to bathe more often because women sweat more during their periods (\u003ca href=\"https://www.bustle.com/p/does-your-period-make-you-sweat-this-one-phase-of-your-cycle-affects-you-in-this-weird-way-8146725\">not true!\u003c/a>) and anything other than mild exercise, mid-menses, is literally \"wrong.\" In addition, period pain probably isn't going to happen to you (“To most girls, the menstrual period should bring no severe discomfort ... Perhaps an occasional twinge or a touch of nerves”). Should cramps arise, just suck it up and deal with it. (\"After all, you have to live with people ... Keep smiling!\") Finally, if you \u003cem>are\u003c/em> in pain, it's probably because you're not standing up straight enough or grooming well enough. Eff you, Walt Disney. Eff you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>1953\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/zsgHlWJ2s18'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/zsgHlWJ2s18'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>This \"educational\" video winds down with a young girl cheerily telling a friend: \"You know I've got the curse!\" Before that, we get a wealth of terrible advice from Miss Jensen, a health educator who presents menstruation firmly within the confines of gender roles, not biology, describing it as \"the natural, normal process leading up to being a mother.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Other advice here expands on the Disney/Kotex version of period-living where showering in the wrong temperature, slouching and \"square dancing\" are dangerous. By the end, Miss Jensen's presentation has descended into a sort of mania: \"You should be more careful than ever about personal cleanliness, and change your underwear more often, and be sure and use a deodorant, and pay more attention to your hair and your nails, and plan to wear your prettiest dress.” (For a film about periods, Miss Jensen sure doesn't like using them.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Then mom goes and makes it worse by not knowing anything about basic biology. Asked why periods happen every month, she tells her child, \"It's just part of being a woman, I guess.\" Welcome to the 1950s: You're bleeding and no one will tell you why, but, hey, straighten those backs, ladies!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>1967\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/vpI9lknkZq0'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/vpI9lknkZq0'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>This clip begins with the notion that \"All women have periods,\" thereby erasing reproductively challenged and trans women from the picture entirely. Fun! Like the 1953 video, this 1967 PSA is absolutely terrified of biologically specific words. \"Blood from inside my body comes outside,\" a mom tells her daughter in a scarily unspecific manner. What's more, vaginas are referred to by three separate people as an \"opening between my legs.\" Surprisingly, that prudishness doesn't extend to the two close-up visuals of a blood-soaked sanitary towel. Take that, blue liquid from commercials!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>1974\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/W0ueRMpM7Mc'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/W0ueRMpM7Mc'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Amazingly, this \"educational\" video includes a 15-year-old girl introducing herself by giving her physical measurements (\"38-25-36\"); Mike from \u003cem>Breaking Bad\u003c/em> (no, really) suggesting his date is better at bowling because she just got her period; a creepy mustachioed dude eavesdropping on teenagers; rampant heteronormativity; and the trippiest cartoon about reproduction in history. One bright spot? The first mention of tampons so far! Woo?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>\"Growing Up and Liking It,\" 1984\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/Au72KwfYfvo'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/Au72KwfYfvo'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>At some point, some genius decided the best way to deliver information about puberty and periods was via an actress who had once played Annie on Broadway and some of her costars. There is random singing, mid-sentence; there are tales about the hard life of a Broadway child star (reach a certain height and get fired!); and there are abundant assumptions that interspersing educational clips with these theater actors somehow makes it more interesting (it doesn't, it just goes on for longer). At least it explains sanitary towel and tampon options though; the other videos make it seem like there's only one of each.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>\"Always Changing, Always Growing,\" 1997\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/r4qHUegNtPg'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/r4qHUegNtPg'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Remarkably, this Always Ultra commercial dressed up as a teaching aid is the first to include valuable biological information since the 1946 Disney cartoon. Sadly, this one \u003cem>still\u003c/em> treats normal period-related misery as the exception to the rule. When a girl asks if having a period hurts, her teacher lies: \"Not while you're actually having it. In fact, many women say they hardly notice their period.\" (\u003cem>WHO AND WHERE ARE THESE WOMEN?!) \u003c/em>Then another teacher comes in and, on the subject of PMS, says, \"Personally, I've never experienced mood changes, but some women do.\" Stop lying to the children, Ms. Dominguez. Just stop lying.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp style=\"text-align: center\">\u003cstrong>Now\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>These days, thanks to the wonders of the internet, reliance on the old, clunky educational videos of yore has gone down to such a significant degree, we're now firmly within the realms of both surreality:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/ZvPVyas68jE'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/ZvPVyas68jE'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>And excellent (mostly Florida-based) humor:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/NEcZmT0fiNM'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/NEcZmT0fiNM'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We've come a long way, ladies.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/106974/a-brief-history-of-terrible-menstruation-education-videos","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_2937","pop_1041"],"tags":["pop_3426","pop_3341","pop_197","pop_3334","pop_1119","pop_3335"],"featImg":"pop_106998","label":"pop"},"pop_101669":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_101669","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"101669","score":null,"sort":[1517950484000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"the-extraordinarily-sexist-history-of-laundry-detergent-commercials","title":"The Extraordinarily Sexist History of Laundry Detergent Commercials","publishDate":1517950484,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>Over the weekend, Tide launched a new, attention-grabbing ad campaign that centered simply around linking the detergent brand to clean clothes. The twist was that it put a rugged man front and center, actively taking the audience's understanding of advertising semiotics and gleefully flipping it on its head.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gGXnE1Dbh0\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/02/04/the-five-best-super-bowl-commercials-from-tide-to-tide/?utm_term=.d346f237a9b4\">nationwide joy\u003c/a> that greeted the Tide ads was an indication of just how much America is ready to leave the tired, lady-at-the-washing-machine trope in the past. The \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1092086/?ref_=tt_cl_t2\">David Harbour\u003c/a>-starring spots weren't just refreshing, they were incredibly overdue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Detergent advertising has been stuck in one of the longest ruts in TV history. It all started after women spent World War II actively engaged in manufacturing and industrial work. When the male workforce came home, America suddenly had to figure out how to get a nation of Rosie the Riveters back off the payroll and into the kitchen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The twin forces of capitalism and advertising were immediately employed to convince women that household chores were just as appealing as saving America had been. The messaging seeped into commercials, both on television and in print, and applied to anything and everything home-related.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 1950s, one angle employed to encourage housewifery was to convince women that there was glamor to be found in drudgery. In this Ivory Snow commercial from the period, the home was a \"castle,\" the housewife was a \"storybook princess,\" and the laundry was \"her trousseau\" (which, according to dictionary.com, means \"the clothes, household linen, and other belongings collected by a bride for her marriage\").\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChaRHzB2EpQ\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back then, for the women who weren't buying the princess angle, laundry was presented as a complex and scientific task, well-suited to glasses-wearing, pointer-wielding smartypants who knew all about \"cycletron programming\" and \"complete agitation.\" These Tide and Westinghouse commercials were transparently geared towards women who had ambitions beyond staying at home, to try and make it seem like doing so was actually a challenging, interesting, and science-y endeavor.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMICBp4k-Z0\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u2BTjLte0k\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the 1960s, detergent commercials somehow got even worse, proudly and loudly plunging headfirst into the realms of mansplaining. Watch in horror as omnipotent man voices tell these grown women what to do with their skivvies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGZMvm6_gHo\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPrSpihatgM\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At some point in the middle of the '60s, some genius at Bold figured out that talking about laundry was as interminably boring as doing it, and figured some music might liven things up. It absolutely did not, thanks to the fact that no one could be bothered to make up a song with a perceivable hook. Just check out Mrs. Smith and Mrs. Jones sing-speaking at each other like two malfunctioning \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073747/?ref_=nv_sr_2\">Stepford Wives.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD72ovIah1o\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Fab managed to come up with a catchier jingle to accompany the 1968 ad below, while making it abundantly clear that fun in fields was the realm of boys, men, and \"Jenny,\" who was \"just as bad as the boys,\" and inside not-fun was for responsible ladies in clean dresses. The marked line between this sensible housewife and the rest of her fun family ends up being rather depressing. A matter made worse by the fact that, in 2010, the borax they're all so gleefully singing about was listed as a \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax\">Substance of Very High Concern\u003c/a> in Europe, due to the fact that it can cause infertility. Fun!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdxO7HbY0cU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 1970s, in the midst of the second-wave feminism boom, Salvo had a panic attack about how to market itself. They put out one commercial that started with the line \"Bet you miss your mommy now that she's working,\" and ends with the tagline \"For women with lots to do!\" The message is that women are allowed to have jobs now, but the laundry is definitely still one of them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLOKdDbULwM\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At least Salvo attempted to acknowledge the changing social status of women. Tide went into a deep denial and hammered home the message that things were just the same as they'd always been.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm7AWmp60vc\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Most other companies, including Bonus, continued to present itself as a source of happiness for generations of women who were most fulfilled by staying at home.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVo-xsjkSrI\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That very specific idea of women passing down laundry to the next generation of girls continued well into the '80s (and beyond). This Bold ad featured three generations of women. Not a man in sight!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1fqdsWSZaM\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>To give you some idea of how little sexist messaging changed in detergent commercials over the decades, here's one from the '80s, that is almost identical -- down to the borax jingle -- to the Fab commercial from 1968.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqVzxhHo3Yw\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the '90s, the idea that laundry was the exclusive domain of women was so ingrained in our culture -- as well as ad agencies' ideas of what would sell products -- that laundry commercials simply continued to run with the idea that professional work was for men and housework was for women. To put it in some context, this Gain commercial came out the same year that Netscape Navigator went on the market. So, at the same time the internet was becoming a viable at-home option, women in chore-related commercials were still eternally trapped there.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR4m2R7zo5A\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the land of detergent, the most women could ask for was a \u003ca href=\"http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25943326\">New Man\u003c/a> who appreciated their efforts, as seen in this Dash commercial from 1990.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alJYFcHk8SI\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As recently as 2007, Clorox told us in no uncertain terms that laundry was, and always has been a woman's job, adding that \"maybe even a man or two\" had done it at some point. Even if Clorox wished to cling to the idea that where there is a woman, there is a laundry-do-er, who did Clorox think had been washing the clothes of millions of single men, gay men, and male college students all that time?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZeQUxSjHwU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2011, Clorox attempted to make up for that last one with a commercial featuring dads chatting on a playground and taking care of babies. Tellingly, we never actually see them interact with a washing machine though.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCuyMbyFE_U\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2013 -- 2013! -- Tide was still telling us that women were the ones to quit work \"to be with the kids,\" and also that caring about laundry was something inherently passed down to women from their grandmothers. The messaging was 40-years old, and absurdly out of touch, yet apparently \u003cem>still\u003c/em> no one could think of a better way to sell detergent.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0cAK9ouRXU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even just last year, Tide's Super Bowl ad \"twist\" consisted of NFL player Rob Gronkowski wearing pigtails and smelling bad -- but it was still a mom washing everyone's clothes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRnI7pX-2vY\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Detergent isn't the only product whose advertising is woefully sexist, but it is a product that has historically ignored the fact that every gender and sexuality needs, buys, and uses it. Based on these ads, one would think that the only people using laundry detergent are heterosexual white women -- and from a selling point, that's just counter-productive. Here's hoping the Tide just turned.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A look back at problematic detergent commercials of yore, and why the tide (pun intended) might be turning.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1517950484,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":23,"wordCount":1305},"headData":{"title":"The Extraordinarily Sexist History of Laundry Detergent Commercials | KQED","description":"A look back at problematic detergent commercials of yore, and why the tide (pun intended) might be turning.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"The Extraordinarily Sexist History of Laundry Detergent Commercials","datePublished":"2018-02-06T20:54:44.000Z","dateModified":"2018-02-06T20:54:44.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"101669 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=101669","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2018/02/06/the-extraordinarily-sexist-history-of-laundry-detergent-commercials/","disqusTitle":"The Extraordinarily Sexist History of Laundry Detergent Commercials","path":"/pop/101669/the-extraordinarily-sexist-history-of-laundry-detergent-commercials","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Over the weekend, Tide launched a new, attention-grabbing ad campaign that centered simply around linking the detergent brand to clean clothes. The twist was that it put a rugged man front and center, actively taking the audience's understanding of advertising semiotics and gleefully flipping it on its head.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/6gGXnE1Dbh0'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/6gGXnE1Dbh0'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/02/04/the-five-best-super-bowl-commercials-from-tide-to-tide/?utm_term=.d346f237a9b4\">nationwide joy\u003c/a> that greeted the Tide ads was an indication of just how much America is ready to leave the tired, lady-at-the-washing-machine trope in the past. The \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1092086/?ref_=tt_cl_t2\">David Harbour\u003c/a>-starring spots weren't just refreshing, they were incredibly overdue.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Detergent advertising has been stuck in one of the longest ruts in TV history. It all started after women spent World War II actively engaged in manufacturing and industrial work. When the male workforce came home, America suddenly had to figure out how to get a nation of Rosie the Riveters back off the payroll and into the kitchen.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The twin forces of capitalism and advertising were immediately employed to convince women that household chores were just as appealing as saving America had been. The messaging seeped into commercials, both on television and in print, and applied to anything and everything home-related.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the 1950s, one angle employed to encourage housewifery was to convince women that there was glamor to be found in drudgery. In this Ivory Snow commercial from the period, the home was a \"castle,\" the housewife was a \"storybook princess,\" and the laundry was \"her trousseau\" (which, according to dictionary.com, means \"the clothes, household linen, and other belongings collected by a bride for her marriage\").\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/ChaRHzB2EpQ'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/ChaRHzB2EpQ'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Back then, for the women who weren't buying the princess angle, laundry was presented as a complex and scientific task, well-suited to glasses-wearing, pointer-wielding smartypants who knew all about \"cycletron programming\" and \"complete agitation.\" These Tide and Westinghouse commercials were transparently geared towards women who had ambitions beyond staying at home, to try and make it seem like doing so was actually a challenging, interesting, and science-y endeavor.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/tMICBp4k-Z0'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/tMICBp4k-Z0'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u2BTjLte0k\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By the 1960s, detergent commercials somehow got even worse, proudly and loudly plunging headfirst into the realms of mansplaining. Watch in horror as omnipotent man voices tell these grown women what to do with their skivvies.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/AGZMvm6_gHo'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/AGZMvm6_gHo'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPrSpihatgM\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At some point in the middle of the '60s, some genius at Bold figured out that talking about laundry was as interminably boring as doing it, and figured some music might liven things up. It absolutely did not, thanks to the fact that no one could be bothered to make up a song with a perceivable hook. Just check out Mrs. Smith and Mrs. Jones sing-speaking at each other like two malfunctioning \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073747/?ref_=nv_sr_2\">Stepford Wives.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/hD72ovIah1o'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/hD72ovIah1o'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Fab managed to come up with a catchier jingle to accompany the 1968 ad below, while making it abundantly clear that fun in fields was the realm of boys, men, and \"Jenny,\" who was \"just as bad as the boys,\" and inside not-fun was for responsible ladies in clean dresses. The marked line between this sensible housewife and the rest of her fun family ends up being rather depressing. A matter made worse by the fact that, in 2010, the borax they're all so gleefully singing about was listed as a \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax\">Substance of Very High Concern\u003c/a> in Europe, due to the fact that it can cause infertility. Fun!\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/RdxO7HbY0cU'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/RdxO7HbY0cU'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>In the 1970s, in the midst of the second-wave feminism boom, Salvo had a panic attack about how to market itself. They put out one commercial that started with the line \"Bet you miss your mommy now that she's working,\" and ends with the tagline \"For women with lots to do!\" The message is that women are allowed to have jobs now, but the laundry is definitely still one of them.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/VLOKdDbULwM'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/VLOKdDbULwM'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>At least Salvo attempted to acknowledge the changing social status of women. Tide went into a deep denial and hammered home the message that things were just the same as they'd always been.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/cm7AWmp60vc'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/cm7AWmp60vc'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Most other companies, including Bonus, continued to present itself as a source of happiness for generations of women who were most fulfilled by staying at home.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/cVo-xsjkSrI'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/cVo-xsjkSrI'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>That very specific idea of women passing down laundry to the next generation of girls continued well into the '80s (and beyond). This Bold ad featured three generations of women. Not a man in sight!\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/M1fqdsWSZaM'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/M1fqdsWSZaM'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>To give you some idea of how little sexist messaging changed in detergent commercials over the decades, here's one from the '80s, that is almost identical -- down to the borax jingle -- to the Fab commercial from 1968.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/VqVzxhHo3Yw'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/VqVzxhHo3Yw'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>By the '90s, the idea that laundry was the exclusive domain of women was so ingrained in our culture -- as well as ad agencies' ideas of what would sell products -- that laundry commercials simply continued to run with the idea that professional work was for men and housework was for women. To put it in some context, this Gain commercial came out the same year that Netscape Navigator went on the market. So, at the same time the internet was becoming a viable at-home option, women in chore-related commercials were still eternally trapped there.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/fR4m2R7zo5A'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/fR4m2R7zo5A'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>In the land of detergent, the most women could ask for was a \u003ca href=\"http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25943326\">New Man\u003c/a> who appreciated their efforts, as seen in this Dash commercial from 1990.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/alJYFcHk8SI'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/alJYFcHk8SI'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>As recently as 2007, Clorox told us in no uncertain terms that laundry was, and always has been a woman's job, adding that \"maybe even a man or two\" had done it at some point. Even if Clorox wished to cling to the idea that where there is a woman, there is a laundry-do-er, who did Clorox think had been washing the clothes of millions of single men, gay men, and male college students all that time?\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/TZeQUxSjHwU'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/TZeQUxSjHwU'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>In 2011, Clorox attempted to make up for that last one with a commercial featuring dads chatting on a playground and taking care of babies. Tellingly, we never actually see them interact with a washing machine though.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/TCuyMbyFE_U'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/TCuyMbyFE_U'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>In 2013 -- 2013! -- Tide was still telling us that women were the ones to quit work \"to be with the kids,\" and also that caring about laundry was something inherently passed down to women from their grandmothers. The messaging was 40-years old, and absurdly out of touch, yet apparently \u003cem>still\u003c/em> no one could think of a better way to sell detergent.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/l0cAK9ouRXU'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/l0cAK9ouRXU'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Even just last year, Tide's Super Bowl ad \"twist\" consisted of NFL player Rob Gronkowski wearing pigtails and smelling bad -- but it was still a mom washing everyone's clothes.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/oRnI7pX-2vY'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/oRnI7pX-2vY'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Detergent isn't the only product whose advertising is woefully sexist, but it is a product that has historically ignored the fact that every gender and sexuality needs, buys, and uses it. Based on these ads, one would think that the only people using laundry detergent are heterosexual white women -- and from a selling point, that's just counter-productive. Here's hoping the Tide just turned.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/101669/the-extraordinarily-sexist-history-of-laundry-detergent-commercials","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_2937","pop_3"],"tags":["pop_100","pop_197","pop_1119"],"featImg":"pop_101702","label":"pop"},"pop_95811":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_95811","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"95811","score":null,"sort":[1503601431000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"shes-not-all-that-a-brief-history-of-rags-to-princess-makeovers-in-movies","title":"She's Not All That: A Brief History of Rags-to-Princess Makeovers in Movies","publishDate":1503601431,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>It's no secret that American women are bombarded daily with mainstream beauty standards—a multitude of industries literally depend on it. But nowhere is that message more sneakily fed than in that old movie trope: the conventional makeover.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Probably the most famously upsetting example occurred in 1985's \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088847/?ref_=nv_sr_3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>The Breakfast Club\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, when spoiled princess Claire (Molly Ringwald) does what is supposed to be her good deed for the day by de-weirding the eccentric but adorable Allison (Ally Sheedy). Claire transforms Allison's goth bag-lady look with a frilly pink top she has magicked out of nowhere, removes Allison's black eyeliner, puts pink shimmer all over her face and sticks a bow on her head, thereby effectively erasing Allison's entire persona.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Why are you being so nice to me?\" Allison asks, letting the viewer know that, at the core of every unconventional woman, is a \"normal,\" more aesthetically pleasing one just dying to get out. It's not true, of course: weird kids aren't weird because they don't know how to be pretty—weird kids dress weird to outwardly own the fact that they don't fit in. They have no desire to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John Hughes should have known better. Outside of the makeover scene, \u003cem>The Breakfast Club\u003c/em> is a movie that examines, very pointedly, the inherent value of individuality. It's a film that tells us that nobody has a perfect life; that humans are all complex creatures; and that high school, with all of its stupid pressures to fit in, is basically a waking nightmare. All of the film's good work is undone when Allison is no longer allowed to be herself—in the end, the movie is telling us, pretty is always better.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Predictably, after the transformation she never asked for, Allison is immediately desired by the first jock who sees her, and we're supposed to think this is a good thing:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rprB-_jyLjU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a 2015 interview with \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.craveonline.com/site/836505-sxsw-2015-interview-molly-ringwald-ally-sheedy-regret-the-makeover-scene-in-the-breakfast-club/3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Crave\u003c/a>\u003c/em>, Ally Sheedy said of the scene:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"Yeah, at first in the script Molly was actually adding a lot of makeup onto this plain faced Allison but then I wanted that black [eyeliner]. So then John [Hughes, writer/ director] said it was okay to have it be taking the black stuff off the eyes. I think the idea was that you reveal this person who’s been behind a mask, but every time I look at it, I wish we hadn’t done that.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>[aside postid='pop_97337']It wasn't the only time John Hughes gave a female character a totally unnecessary movie makeover either. Just one year later, in \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091790/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>Pretty in Pink\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, he felt the need to transform the best-dressed woman in the whole film. Viewers spend the entire movie falling in love with Iona (Annie Potts) because of her kooky exuberance, dry sense of humor and consistently amazing wardrobe, only to watch her get turned into a \u003cem>Miami Vice\u003c/em> extra by the end because she's found the right man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Miscast in the role, Potts looks almost the same age as the rest of the supposedly teenage cast. If the script didn't reference it repeatedly, we'd have absolutely no idea that Iona is supposed to be in her mid-late thirties. Post-makeover, the reason for all of the age references becomes abundantly clear: Hughes wants us to know that when older women express themselves through unusual clothing, it is simply a product of acting out. The second they find a relationship, all of that creativity will evaporate because they finally have something worthwhile to put their energy towards—a man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_95812\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-95812 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-800x371.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"371\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-800x371.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-160x74.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-768x356.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-1020x473.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-1920x890.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-1180x547.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-960x445.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-240x111.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-375x174.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-520x241.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Iona in 'Pretty in Pink': Rad, Rad, Rad, Sad.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The '90s weren't immune to the high-school movie makeover either. In hindsight, it's not terribly surprising that \u003cem>She's All That\u003c/em> has one, given the fact that the movie's plot revolves primarily around humiliating young women. The film starts with Zack (Freddie Prinze, Jr.) declaring to a friend that all girls are interchangeable. (Great start, \u003cem>She's All That\u003c/em>!) To prove it, he promises to transform an unwitting nerd into a prom queen within a matter of weeks. The rest of the movie is basically about Zack's ex-girlfriend being publicly humiliated, or the unwitting nerd being manipulated and/or abused. (There's a totally glossed over almost-sexual-assault at the end, on top of everything else).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All this aside, what gives \u003cem>She's All That\u003c/em> an extra level of unwatchable-ness is that Laney (Rachael Leigh Cook) is quite obviously drop-dead gorgeous pre-makeover, so it makes zero sense when Zack's jaw drops at the sight of the made-over Laney, just because she's taken off her glasses and shortened her hair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Watch on as newfound beauty magically grants Laney 20/20 vision and the ability to see without the glasses she's needed this entire time:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPuJkuesiyM\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At least 2000's \u003cem>Miss Congeniality\u003c/em> had the decency to come up with a flimsy plot device (beyond simply We'll Make You Look Nice Now) to facilitate the makeover of Gracie (Sandra Bullock). That's about the only positive though.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The message throughout the comedy is relentless: tough women are perpetually unattractive; tomboys are inherently gross; pageants are so incredibly important people might be driven to revenge-bomb them; and only once they adhere to strict beauty regimens can women truly find wholeness and happiness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The concept that a woman of Gracie's age, living in America, could manage to reach adulthood without ever being pressured into trying out the world of make up and dresses before, is an insult to teenage girls everywhere—as is the idea that a woman who doesn't \"even own a brush\" can instantly walk this far, this flawlessly in heels. (Both \u003cem>Miss Congeniality\u003c/em> and \u003cem>She's All That\u003c/em> are careful to include one post-makeover heel-related stumble. You know. For realism.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5lW0cZ55co\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The inherently flawed thing about the conventional makeover in movies is that it sends very clear, potentially damaging messages to audiences. The first is that, if you are a woman, being yourself is much less important than being attractive to men. The second is the idea that if you look a certain way, if you buy the right clothes and preen enough, all of your problems will go away (*cough* \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_TZEsUhXRs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>Pretty Woman\u003c/em>\u003c/a> *cough*). And third: women should both crave and welcome the male gaze. (We'd talk about the rampant cis- and hetero-normativity involved in all of this, but there simply isn't time.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thankfully, post-Millennium movie makeovers—like those in \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458352/?ref_=nv_sr_1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>The Devil Wears Prada\u003c/em>\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1282140/?ref_=nv_sr_1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>Easy A\u003c/em>\u003c/a>—have done a better job of making on-screen transformations about something other than the inner desire to conform. Let's hope the erasure of characters' strong identities in favor of a pretty face stays trapped in the last Century.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"When unconventional women get transformed on screen, it sends a harmful message to those that are watching.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1628276833,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":19,"wordCount":1201},"headData":{"title":"She's Not All That: A Brief History of Rags-to-Princess Makeovers in Movies - KQED Pop","description":"When unconventional women get transformed on screen, it sends a harmful message to those that are watching.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"She's Not All That: A Brief History of Rags-to-Princess Makeovers in Movies","datePublished":"2017-08-24T19:03:51.000Z","dateModified":"2021-08-06T19:07:13.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"95811 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=95811","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2017/08/24/shes-not-all-that-a-brief-history-of-rags-to-princess-makeovers-in-movies/","disqusTitle":"She's Not All That: A Brief History of Rags-to-Princess Makeovers in Movies","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","path":"/pop/95811/shes-not-all-that-a-brief-history-of-rags-to-princess-makeovers-in-movies","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>It's no secret that American women are bombarded daily with mainstream beauty standards—a multitude of industries literally depend on it. But nowhere is that message more sneakily fed than in that old movie trope: the conventional makeover.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Probably the most famously upsetting example occurred in 1985's \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088847/?ref_=nv_sr_3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>The Breakfast Club\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, when spoiled princess Claire (Molly Ringwald) does what is supposed to be her good deed for the day by de-weirding the eccentric but adorable Allison (Ally Sheedy). Claire transforms Allison's goth bag-lady look with a frilly pink top she has magicked out of nowhere, removes Allison's black eyeliner, puts pink shimmer all over her face and sticks a bow on her head, thereby effectively erasing Allison's entire persona.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Why are you being so nice to me?\" Allison asks, letting the viewer know that, at the core of every unconventional woman, is a \"normal,\" more aesthetically pleasing one just dying to get out. It's not true, of course: weird kids aren't weird because they don't know how to be pretty—weird kids dress weird to outwardly own the fact that they don't fit in. They have no desire to.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>John Hughes should have known better. Outside of the makeover scene, \u003cem>The Breakfast Club\u003c/em> is a movie that examines, very pointedly, the inherent value of individuality. It's a film that tells us that nobody has a perfect life; that humans are all complex creatures; and that high school, with all of its stupid pressures to fit in, is basically a waking nightmare. All of the film's good work is undone when Allison is no longer allowed to be herself—in the end, the movie is telling us, pretty is always better.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Predictably, after the transformation she never asked for, Allison is immediately desired by the first jock who sees her, and we're supposed to think this is a good thing:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/rprB-_jyLjU'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/rprB-_jyLjU'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>In a 2015 interview with \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.craveonline.com/site/836505-sxsw-2015-interview-molly-ringwald-ally-sheedy-regret-the-makeover-scene-in-the-breakfast-club/3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Crave\u003c/a>\u003c/em>, Ally Sheedy said of the scene:\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>\"Yeah, at first in the script Molly was actually adding a lot of makeup onto this plain faced Allison but then I wanted that black [eyeliner]. So then John [Hughes, writer/ director] said it was okay to have it be taking the black stuff off the eyes. I think the idea was that you reveal this person who’s been behind a mask, but every time I look at it, I wish we hadn’t done that.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"aside","attributes":{"named":{"postid":"pop_97337","label":""},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>It wasn't the only time John Hughes gave a female character a totally unnecessary movie makeover either. Just one year later, in \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091790/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>Pretty in Pink\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, he felt the need to transform the best-dressed woman in the whole film. Viewers spend the entire movie falling in love with Iona (Annie Potts) because of her kooky exuberance, dry sense of humor and consistently amazing wardrobe, only to watch her get turned into a \u003cem>Miami Vice\u003c/em> extra by the end because she's found the right man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Miscast in the role, Potts looks almost the same age as the rest of the supposedly teenage cast. If the script didn't reference it repeatedly, we'd have absolutely no idea that Iona is supposed to be in her mid-late thirties. Post-makeover, the reason for all of the age references becomes abundantly clear: Hughes wants us to know that when older women express themselves through unusual clothing, it is simply a product of acting out. The second they find a relationship, all of that creativity will evaporate because they finally have something worthwhile to put their energy towards—a man.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_95812\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-95812 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-800x371.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"371\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-800x371.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-160x74.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-768x356.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-1020x473.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-1920x890.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-1180x547.jpg 1180w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-960x445.jpg 960w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-240x111.jpg 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-375x174.jpg 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/iona-pip-520x241.jpg 520w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Iona in 'Pretty in Pink': Rad, Rad, Rad, Sad.\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>The '90s weren't immune to the high-school movie makeover either. In hindsight, it's not terribly surprising that \u003cem>She's All That\u003c/em> has one, given the fact that the movie's plot revolves primarily around humiliating young women. The film starts with Zack (Freddie Prinze, Jr.) declaring to a friend that all girls are interchangeable. (Great start, \u003cem>She's All That\u003c/em>!) To prove it, he promises to transform an unwitting nerd into a prom queen within a matter of weeks. The rest of the movie is basically about Zack's ex-girlfriend being publicly humiliated, or the unwitting nerd being manipulated and/or abused. (There's a totally glossed over almost-sexual-assault at the end, on top of everything else).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>All this aside, what gives \u003cem>She's All That\u003c/em> an extra level of unwatchable-ness is that Laney (Rachael Leigh Cook) is quite obviously drop-dead gorgeous pre-makeover, so it makes zero sense when Zack's jaw drops at the sight of the made-over Laney, just because she's taken off her glasses and shortened her hair.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Watch on as newfound beauty magically grants Laney 20/20 vision and the ability to see without the glasses she's needed this entire time:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/SPuJkuesiyM'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/SPuJkuesiyM'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>At least 2000's \u003cem>Miss Congeniality\u003c/em> had the decency to come up with a flimsy plot device (beyond simply We'll Make You Look Nice Now) to facilitate the makeover of Gracie (Sandra Bullock). That's about the only positive though.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The message throughout the comedy is relentless: tough women are perpetually unattractive; tomboys are inherently gross; pageants are so incredibly important people might be driven to revenge-bomb them; and only once they adhere to strict beauty regimens can women truly find wholeness and happiness.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The concept that a woman of Gracie's age, living in America, could manage to reach adulthood without ever being pressured into trying out the world of make up and dresses before, is an insult to teenage girls everywhere—as is the idea that a woman who doesn't \"even own a brush\" can instantly walk this far, this flawlessly in heels. (Both \u003cem>Miss Congeniality\u003c/em> and \u003cem>She's All That\u003c/em> are careful to include one post-makeover heel-related stumble. You know. For realism.)\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/M5lW0cZ55co'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/M5lW0cZ55co'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>The inherently flawed thing about the conventional makeover in movies is that it sends very clear, potentially damaging messages to audiences. The first is that, if you are a woman, being yourself is much less important than being attractive to men. The second is the idea that if you look a certain way, if you buy the right clothes and preen enough, all of your problems will go away (*cough* \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_TZEsUhXRs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>Pretty Woman\u003c/em>\u003c/a> *cough*). And third: women should both crave and welcome the male gaze. (We'd talk about the rampant cis- and hetero-normativity involved in all of this, but there simply isn't time.)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Thankfully, post-Millennium movie makeovers—like those in \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458352/?ref_=nv_sr_1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>The Devil Wears Prada\u003c/em>\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1282140/?ref_=nv_sr_1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>Easy A\u003c/em>\u003c/a>—have done a better job of making on-screen transformations about something other than the inner desire to conform. Let's hope the erasure of characters' strong identities in favor of a pretty face stays trapped in the last Century.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/95811/shes-not-all-that-a-brief-history-of-rags-to-princess-makeovers-in-movies","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_51"],"tags":["pop_1145","pop_646","pop_1119"],"featImg":"pop_95813","label":"pop"},"pop_95779":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_95779","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"95779","score":null,"sort":[1503513181000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"how-did-we-get-here-marky-mark-and-the-history-of-hollywoods-gender-pay-gap","title":"How Did We Get Here? Marky Mark and the History of Hollywood’s Gender Pay Gap","publishDate":1503513181,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>This year's \u003ca href=\"https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2017/08/22/full-list-the-worlds-highest-paid-actors-and-actresses-2017/#17a299f03751\">Forbes figures \u003c/a>are in, and, if you want to be very confused, in 2017 the highest-paid actor in Hollywood was Mark Wahlberg. He made $68 million! The highest paid actress for the same period was Emma Stone, who pulled in $26 million. That's such an enormous discrepancy that, in order to find an actor in the same pay bracket as the Oscar-winning Stone, you have to drop all the way down to the No. 14 and 15 slots on the actor's list (Ryan Gosling's $29 million and Ryan Reynolds' $21 million).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite many vocal objections from women working in Hollywood in recent years, the gap between the highest earning actors and actresses in America isn't getting better — based on this year's report, it seems to be getting worse. In 2015, according to \u003ca href=\"http://variety.com/2015/film/news/hollywood-gender-pay-gap-inequality-1201636553/\">\u003cem>Variety\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, the highest paid actors combined made $431 million. The top ten actresses combined made almost half that -- $218 million. That year, the gap between top earners Robert Downey Jr. ($80 million) and Jennifer Lawrence ($52 million) was $28 million. The difference between Wahlberg and Stone two years later is a whopping $42 million.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Jennifer Lawrence's essay on wage inequality for Lena Dunham's \u003ca href=\"http://www.lennyletter.com/work/a147/jennifer-lawrence-why-do-i-make-less-than-my-male-costars/\">\u003cem>Lenny\u003c/em>\u003c/a> site did make waves (\"When the Sony hack happened,\" Lawrence wrote, \"I found out how much less I was being paid than the lucky people with d**ks,\") the most visible incident of an actress speaking out about Hollywood's wage inequality was Patricia Arquette at the 2015 Oscars. Having just won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, she used the podium to state unequivocally that it's \"time to have wage equality once and for all, and equal rights for women in the United States of America.” Meryl Streep was famously so pleased someone had finally said it, she \u003ca href=\"http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--6aC1n-Y9--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/f6uzvjg9audixafzcb5i.gif\">leapt out of her chair\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wx-Qh4Vczc\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But on the Oscars red carpet a year later, Arquette told journalists she had \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/mar/01/patricia-arquette-oscars-equality-speech-hollywood\">lost roles as a result\u003c/a> of her acceptance speech. \"Before I said it, I knew there was going to be some drama,\" she said, \"because it would cost people money.” That fear of pushing too hard and losing work puts women in an impossible position -- even at the highest levels. 2003's \u003cem>Something’s Gotta Give \u003c/em>offers an absurd example. When Jack Nicholson received back-end pay for the movie, and Diane Keaton, who had a larger role in the film, did not, Nicholson wound up trying to right the wrong by \u003ca href=\"http://variety.com/2015/film/news/hollywood-gender-pay-gap-inequality-1201636553/\">sending Keaton part of his check\u003c/a>. Few female stars have co-stars willing to go to such lengths.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Perhaps the most surprising element of this is that, unlike most professions in the world, Hollywood did not start out with the kind of consistently divided financial gender lines that it's currently tolerating. It's true that in 1937, Fred Astaire made $211,666 to Ginger Rogers' $124,770, but consider the fact that, that same year, the top two highest earners were Gary Cooper ($370,214) with Mae West close behind ($323,333). Five years prior, in 1932, the top three earners were actresses. So it would seem that opportunities to get into the same earnings ballpark as men were more viable for actresses 80 years ago than they are today -- which is pretty insane if you think about it. Scarlett Johansson may have \u003ca href=\"http://variety.com/2015/film/news/scarlett-johansson-avengers-salary-chris-evans-chris-hemsworth-1201637789/\">earned the same\u003c/a> as Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth for \u003cem>The Avengers\u003c/em>, but it was an unusual enough situation to warrant press attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So how did we get here? It's easy to track where the shift in Hollywood earnings began, thanks to \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Money_Making_Stars_Poll#1950_Poll\">the Top Ten Money Making Stars Poll\u003c/a> -- a unisex list. The results of the very first poll came out in 1932, and not only revealed that the top three earners were female (Marie Dressler, Janet Gaynor and Joan Crawford), but that the list was 50/50 men and women. That trend continued through the 1930s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By 1942, however, the list was dominated by men, with just Betty Grable and Greer Larson scraping into the top ten in the No. 8 and 9 positions. Ten years later, the problem persisted. 1952's list contains only two women -- Doris Day at No. 7 and Susan Hayward at No. 9. By 1957, there wasn't one woman left on the top ten earner's list.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some recovery came in the 1960s. Marlon Brando might have been the first actor to earn $1 million for a movie, for 1962's \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056264/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2\">Mutiny on the Bounty\u003c/a>, \u003c/em>but it took Elizabeth Taylor less than nine months to catch up, with her salary on \u003ca href=\"http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/3/8/a-history-of-firsts-for-women-in-film.html\">\u003cem>Cleopatra\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. The top ten money makers poll was dominated by men for the entire period, but it was women (Doris Day, Elizabeth Taylor and Julie Andrews) topping the list for all but two years that decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was in the 1970s that a major shift happened. That was the decade that women were all but wiped off the highest earners' list, and frankly, women in Hollywood have never recovered. That shift, at that particular time -- the peak of second wave feminism -- is an ironic premonition of where we are now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_95782\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-95782 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-800x529.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"529\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-800x529.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-160x106.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-768x508.png 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-240x159.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-375x248.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-520x344.png 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM.png 822w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">\"Second Wave Feminism - 1960s-1970s\" / YouTube\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Arguments about the gender pay gap are frequently disrupted with suggestions that women are simply choosing lower-paid jobs, working less hours (because of their still-dominant role in caregiving responsibilities) or just not pushing hard enough. What the movie industry is effectively showing us is that none of those factors actually matter. Men and women in Hollywood are doing the same jobs (though meaty roles are\u003ca href=\"https://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2015/08/05/women-still-ridiculously-underrepresented-in-movies/#5decf9bc30ea\"> harder to come by\u003c/a> for women simply because they're not getting written / greenlit), they have the same agents, the same PR people and the same means to deal with child care as their male counterparts. The reason actresses are making less is very simple: the film industry has a very obvious, very systemic sexism problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, Hollywood is symbolic of what women face in almost every industry and profession in the United States -- and where you live in the country does make a difference. In 2015, women working in New York City made 89 cents for every male dollar, but in Wyoming that amount dropped to 64 cents. The gender pay gap also significantly increases for women of color.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This year, the female-led and directed \u003cem>Wonder Woman\u003c/em> grossed $404,008,376 million domestically, making it the \u003ca href=\"https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/22/wonder-woman-highest-grossing-superhero-origin/\">biggest money-maker\u003c/a> in origin superhero movie history. \u003cem>Girls Trip\u003c/em> also proved another \u003ca href=\"https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/07/24/box-office-why-girls-trip-became-the-years-first-comedy-smash/#68bc9d456eff\">major winner\u003c/a> at this summer's box office. When given the opportunity, women in movies earn just as much for the industry as the men do -- and it's about time their paychecks reflected that.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Top-paid Hollywood actor Mark Wahlberg earned $42 million more than Emma Stone — an inequity that's symbolic of a wider problem for all women.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1503513181,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":14,"wordCount":1170},"headData":{"title":"How Did We Get Here? 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Marky Mark and the History of Hollywood’s Gender Pay Gap","path":"/pop/95779/how-did-we-get-here-marky-mark-and-the-history-of-hollywoods-gender-pay-gap","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>This year's \u003ca href=\"https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2017/08/22/full-list-the-worlds-highest-paid-actors-and-actresses-2017/#17a299f03751\">Forbes figures \u003c/a>are in, and, if you want to be very confused, in 2017 the highest-paid actor in Hollywood was Mark Wahlberg. He made $68 million! The highest paid actress for the same period was Emma Stone, who pulled in $26 million. That's such an enormous discrepancy that, in order to find an actor in the same pay bracket as the Oscar-winning Stone, you have to drop all the way down to the No. 14 and 15 slots on the actor's list (Ryan Gosling's $29 million and Ryan Reynolds' $21 million).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Despite many vocal objections from women working in Hollywood in recent years, the gap between the highest earning actors and actresses in America isn't getting better — based on this year's report, it seems to be getting worse. In 2015, according to \u003ca href=\"http://variety.com/2015/film/news/hollywood-gender-pay-gap-inequality-1201636553/\">\u003cem>Variety\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, the highest paid actors combined made $431 million. The top ten actresses combined made almost half that -- $218 million. That year, the gap between top earners Robert Downey Jr. ($80 million) and Jennifer Lawrence ($52 million) was $28 million. The difference between Wahlberg and Stone two years later is a whopping $42 million.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While Jennifer Lawrence's essay on wage inequality for Lena Dunham's \u003ca href=\"http://www.lennyletter.com/work/a147/jennifer-lawrence-why-do-i-make-less-than-my-male-costars/\">\u003cem>Lenny\u003c/em>\u003c/a> site did make waves (\"When the Sony hack happened,\" Lawrence wrote, \"I found out how much less I was being paid than the lucky people with d**ks,\") the most visible incident of an actress speaking out about Hollywood's wage inequality was Patricia Arquette at the 2015 Oscars. Having just won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, she used the podium to state unequivocally that it's \"time to have wage equality once and for all, and equal rights for women in the United States of America.” Meryl Streep was famously so pleased someone had finally said it, she \u003ca href=\"http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--6aC1n-Y9--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/f6uzvjg9audixafzcb5i.gif\">leapt out of her chair\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/6wx-Qh4Vczc'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/6wx-Qh4Vczc'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>But on the Oscars red carpet a year later, Arquette told journalists she had \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/mar/01/patricia-arquette-oscars-equality-speech-hollywood\">lost roles as a result\u003c/a> of her acceptance speech. \"Before I said it, I knew there was going to be some drama,\" she said, \"because it would cost people money.” That fear of pushing too hard and losing work puts women in an impossible position -- even at the highest levels. 2003's \u003cem>Something’s Gotta Give \u003c/em>offers an absurd example. When Jack Nicholson received back-end pay for the movie, and Diane Keaton, who had a larger role in the film, did not, Nicholson wound up trying to right the wrong by \u003ca href=\"http://variety.com/2015/film/news/hollywood-gender-pay-gap-inequality-1201636553/\">sending Keaton part of his check\u003c/a>. Few female stars have co-stars willing to go to such lengths.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Perhaps the most surprising element of this is that, unlike most professions in the world, Hollywood did not start out with the kind of consistently divided financial gender lines that it's currently tolerating. It's true that in 1937, Fred Astaire made $211,666 to Ginger Rogers' $124,770, but consider the fact that, that same year, the top two highest earners were Gary Cooper ($370,214) with Mae West close behind ($323,333). Five years prior, in 1932, the top three earners were actresses. So it would seem that opportunities to get into the same earnings ballpark as men were more viable for actresses 80 years ago than they are today -- which is pretty insane if you think about it. Scarlett Johansson may have \u003ca href=\"http://variety.com/2015/film/news/scarlett-johansson-avengers-salary-chris-evans-chris-hemsworth-1201637789/\">earned the same\u003c/a> as Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth for \u003cem>The Avengers\u003c/em>, but it was an unusual enough situation to warrant press attention.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So how did we get here? It's easy to track where the shift in Hollywood earnings began, thanks to \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Money_Making_Stars_Poll#1950_Poll\">the Top Ten Money Making Stars Poll\u003c/a> -- a unisex list. The results of the very first poll came out in 1932, and not only revealed that the top three earners were female (Marie Dressler, Janet Gaynor and Joan Crawford), but that the list was 50/50 men and women. That trend continued through the 1930s.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>By 1942, however, the list was dominated by men, with just Betty Grable and Greer Larson scraping into the top ten in the No. 8 and 9 positions. Ten years later, the problem persisted. 1952's list contains only two women -- Doris Day at No. 7 and Susan Hayward at No. 9. By 1957, there wasn't one woman left on the top ten earner's list.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Some recovery came in the 1960s. Marlon Brando might have been the first actor to earn $1 million for a movie, for 1962's \u003cem>\u003ca href=\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056264/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2\">Mutiny on the Bounty\u003c/a>, \u003c/em>but it took Elizabeth Taylor less than nine months to catch up, with her salary on \u003ca href=\"http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/3/8/a-history-of-firsts-for-women-in-film.html\">\u003cem>Cleopatra\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. The top ten money makers poll was dominated by men for the entire period, but it was women (Doris Day, Elizabeth Taylor and Julie Andrews) topping the list for all but two years that decade.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It was in the 1970s that a major shift happened. That was the decade that women were all but wiped off the highest earners' list, and frankly, women in Hollywood have never recovered. That shift, at that particular time -- the peak of second wave feminism -- is an ironic premonition of where we are now.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_95782\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"wp-image-95782 size-medium\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-800x529.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"529\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-800x529.png 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-160x106.png 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-768x508.png 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-240x159.png 240w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-375x248.png 375w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM-520x344.png 520w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-22-at-2.42.11-PM.png 822w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">\"Second Wave Feminism - 1960s-1970s\" / YouTube\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Arguments about the gender pay gap are frequently disrupted with suggestions that women are simply choosing lower-paid jobs, working less hours (because of their still-dominant role in caregiving responsibilities) or just not pushing hard enough. What the movie industry is effectively showing us is that none of those factors actually matter. Men and women in Hollywood are doing the same jobs (though meaty roles are\u003ca href=\"https://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2015/08/05/women-still-ridiculously-underrepresented-in-movies/#5decf9bc30ea\"> harder to come by\u003c/a> for women simply because they're not getting written / greenlit), they have the same agents, the same PR people and the same means to deal with child care as their male counterparts. The reason actresses are making less is very simple: the film industry has a very obvious, very systemic sexism problem.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, Hollywood is symbolic of what women face in almost every industry and profession in the United States -- and where you live in the country does make a difference. In 2015, women working in New York City made 89 cents for every male dollar, but in Wyoming that amount dropped to 64 cents. The gender pay gap also significantly increases for women of color.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This year, the female-led and directed \u003cem>Wonder Woman\u003c/em> grossed $404,008,376 million domestically, making it the \u003ca href=\"https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/22/wonder-woman-highest-grossing-superhero-origin/\">biggest money-maker\u003c/a> in origin superhero movie history. \u003cem>Girls Trip\u003c/em> also proved another \u003ca href=\"https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/07/24/box-office-why-girls-trip-became-the-years-first-comedy-smash/#68bc9d456eff\">major winner\u003c/a> at this summer's box office. When given the opportunity, women in movies earn just as much for the industry as the men do -- and it's about time their paychecks reflected that.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/95779/how-did-we-get-here-marky-mark-and-the-history-of-hollywoods-gender-pay-gap","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_51","pop_1041"],"tags":["pop_3043","pop_3039","pop_3041","pop_3040","pop_254","pop_211","pop_3042","pop_1119"],"featImg":"pop_95787","label":"pop"},"pop_20417":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_20417","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"20417","score":null,"sort":[1455148199000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"these-scripts-female-character-intros-all-have-one-thing-in-common","title":"These Scripts' Female Character Intros All Have One Thing In Common","publishDate":1455148199,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>It's hardly breaking news that female writers and directors are sorely underrepresented in Hollywood, nor that -- despite \u003ca href=\"http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/02/jennifer-lawrence-lupita-nyongo-cate-blanchett-viola-davis-hollywood-issue\" target=\"_blank\">magazine covers like this one\u003c/a> -- complex, three-dimensional parts for leading ladies are still few and far between in the year 2016.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But if you need some help really internalizing \u003cem>just how crappy\u003c/em> most of the roles written for women truly are, producer Ross Putman is here to help. Just yesterday the filmmaker started a Twitter account, \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/femscriptintros\" target=\"_blank\">@femscriptintros\u003c/a>, from which to share excerpts of scripts he receives -- specifically, the ways female characters are described as they're introduced.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/femscriptintros/status/697286770367426560\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The only thing altered in these tweets is the character's name: Putnam has changed each one to Jane, both providing anonymity for the script in question and helping to underscore the laughable interchangeability of all these effortlessly beautiful -- maybe also intelligent, hardworking, or funny, but \u003cem>beautiful first and foremost and don't you forget it\u003c/em> -- female characters.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/femscriptintros/status/697228110756839424\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the account amassed more than 22,000 followers in less than 24 hours, \u003ca href=\"http://jezebel.com/a-chat-with-the-producer-calling-out-sexist-description-1758327705\" target=\"_blank\">Jezebel reached out to Putman \u003c/a>to hear about the idea's origins. What started as just a good old-fashioned way to let off steam about shoddy scripts -- via Facebook rants, of course -- apparently grew into something more pointed when the filmmaker started noticing patterns along gender lines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>But the more that I read, the more I started to recognize some pretty awful constants. For every confused “you’re” and “your,” there’s just as much latent misogyny and sexism in the scripts I read. Women are first and foremost described as “beautiful,” “attractive,” or—my personal blow-my-brains-out-favorite, “stunning.” They’re always “stunning” in a certain dress or “stunning” despite being covered in dirt because they’re a paleontologist—or whatever. I found myself posting to Facebook far too often “here comes another script with our 45 year-old male lead dating a 25 year-old woman,” and decided I was going to keep track of the female character introductions in scripts I read for a few weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I went back and combed through past scripts too, and the patterns were pretty disconcerting. I plan on posting every one that I read, and there are plenty that aren’t offensive, but honestly, most of them have some element—subtle or overt—that plays into latent objectification.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Read more of the filmmaker's thoughts on sexism in the industry and (lack of) diversity at the Oscars \u003ca href=\"http://jezebel.com/a-chat-with-the-producer-calling-out-sexist-description-1758327705\" target=\"_blank\">here\u003c/a>. I especially like his description of how deeply the false \"beautiful BUT ALSO intelligent!\" dichotomy runs through the subtext in many of these introductions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In any event: If you need a daily laugh/facepalm, it's \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/femscriptintros\" target=\"_blank\">an account worth following\u003c/a>. It certainly won't be running low on material any time soon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Hint: It's in the eye of the beholder -- or in this case, the unimaginative screenwriter. 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Just yesterday the filmmaker started a Twitter account, \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/femscriptintros\" target=\"_blank\">@femscriptintros\u003c/a>, from which to share excerpts of scripts he receives -- specifically, the ways female characters are described as they're introduced.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"697286770367426560"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>The only thing altered in these tweets is the character's name: Putnam has changed each one to Jane, both providing anonymity for the script in question and helping to underscore the laughable interchangeability of all these effortlessly beautiful -- maybe also intelligent, hardworking, or funny, but \u003cem>beautiful first and foremost and don't you forget it\u003c/em> -- female characters.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"697228110756839424"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After the account amassed more than 22,000 followers in less than 24 hours, \u003ca href=\"http://jezebel.com/a-chat-with-the-producer-calling-out-sexist-description-1758327705\" target=\"_blank\">Jezebel reached out to Putman \u003c/a>to hear about the idea's origins. What started as just a good old-fashioned way to let off steam about shoddy scripts -- via Facebook rants, of course -- apparently grew into something more pointed when the filmmaker started noticing patterns along gender lines.\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>But the more that I read, the more I started to recognize some pretty awful constants. For every confused “you’re” and “your,” there’s just as much latent misogyny and sexism in the scripts I read. Women are first and foremost described as “beautiful,” “attractive,” or—my personal blow-my-brains-out-favorite, “stunning.” They’re always “stunning” in a certain dress or “stunning” despite being covered in dirt because they’re a paleontologist—or whatever. I found myself posting to Facebook far too often “here comes another script with our 45 year-old male lead dating a 25 year-old woman,” and decided I was going to keep track of the female character introductions in scripts I read for a few weeks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I went back and combed through past scripts too, and the patterns were pretty disconcerting. I plan on posting every one that I read, and there are plenty that aren’t offensive, but honestly, most of them have some element—subtle or overt—that plays into latent objectification.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>Read more of the filmmaker's thoughts on sexism in the industry and (lack of) diversity at the Oscars \u003ca href=\"http://jezebel.com/a-chat-with-the-producer-calling-out-sexist-description-1758327705\" target=\"_blank\">here\u003c/a>. I especially like his description of how deeply the false \"beautiful BUT ALSO intelligent!\" dichotomy runs through the subtext in many of these introductions.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In any event: If you need a daily laugh/facepalm, it's \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/femscriptintros\" target=\"_blank\">an account worth following\u003c/a>. It certainly won't be running low on material any time soon.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp> \u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/20417/these-scripts-female-character-intros-all-have-one-thing-in-common","authors":["7237"],"categories":["pop_51","pop_5"],"tags":["pop_197","pop_34","pop_1119"],"featImg":"pop_20423","label":"pop"},"pop_7552":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_7552","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"7552","score":null,"sort":[1376679561000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"lake-bell-a-writer-actress-and-director-finding-her-voices","title":"Lake Bell: A Writer, Actress and Director Finding Her Voice(s)","publishDate":1376679561,"format":"aside","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_7554\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 590px\">\u003ca href=\"http://blogs.kqed.org/pop/2013/08/16/lake-bell-a-writer-actress-and-director-finding-her-voices/in-a-world-01/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-7554\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-7554\" src=\"http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2013/08/in-a-world-01.jpg\" alt='Lake Bell, the writer, director and star of \"In a World\" (courtesy of Roadside Attractions)' width=\"590\" height=\"332\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2013/08/in-a-world-01.jpg 590w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2013/08/in-a-world-01-400x225.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 590px) 100vw, 590px\">\u003c/a>\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Lake Bell, the writer, director and star of \"In a World\" (courtesy of Roadside Attractions)\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>For actress Lake Bell voices have always been a passion, whether it's performances onscreen or accents, dialects and inflections on the street and in real life. With \u003cem>In a World, \u003c/em>Bell's first feature as a triple-threat writer, director and star, she turns a lifetime of collecting different voices (a scene she hysterically portrays more than once in the film) into a tour de force exploration of the Hollywood that is heard and not seen: the voice-over industry, specifically the (mostly) men and (few) women that voice film trailers. We sat down with Bell to talk about women in the voice-over world, father daughter sexism, the difference between Cockney and South East London accents and the \"vocal trend and pandemic\" that is grown women speaking with the \"sexy baby voice.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>The first thing that I really want to know is how did you make a Hollywood comedy that is basically an indictment of patriarchy in the funniest, cleverest way by setting it in this world of voice-over trailers. The whole time I was like \"I'm so mad at the patriarchy!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>I think my key goal was not to be preachy but to send a message seemingly on accident, mainly because I just don't like to be told what to do, I don't like to be preached to. I wanted it to be like fun and oops, there's a message!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>I thought of it like the mashed potatoes you put the vitamins in: I didn't know I was getting a lesson on gender relations and the way Western civilization has made daughters subservient to fathers and issues of heirdom. It was Greek. Let's talk about how this movie is a really a Greek structured play.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>Well, we can discuss that or we can discuss the myriad of... I think it starts with hubris, definitely battered hubris. The classic chip on your shoulder \"you're not the guy, you're the guy who's below the guy,\" that's Sam Soto who is not Don la Fontaine. You've got his waning relevance in the industry since the \"everyday man\" voice is bounding through the industry, Gustav Werner, as this new wunderkind and then the unexpected hero of the voice over world is a child trying to attain her father's goal in vain.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>And her father's approval.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>Yeah, only to realize that's not what she's seeking and that she really just wanted to help people, help a generation of young women that have been cursed by a pandemic.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>I love that it keeps coming up in the story. You have the A story in the voice-over industry with the father-daughter competition and then you have the B story that keeps popping up of these baby voiced women. I'll say as a gay man it can irritate me when gay men have certain stereotypical inflections and my girlfriends say the same thing about baby-voiced women. Is it a peeve of yours?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>It's a huge peeve. I'm glad actually that you brought up that in the homosexual community you also have vocal trends and they're similar but here's what I'll say: in the homosexual community it makes utter sense because you're saying \"hey, you might not know this but this is the community that I'm a part of.\" I find it much more relevant and it actually has some substance behind it; it's a cue. Verses the sexy baby vocal virus which is you're basically saying \"I'm submissive to men and I'm 12. By being more 12-year-old like I'm being hopefully more appealing to the male sex.\" That is unfortunate, especially for very educated women who also fall prey to this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>That was one of my favorite things: that you showed that one of these characters was a lawyer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" src=\"https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F105736104&color=ff6600&auto_play=false&show_artwork=true\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>It's rampant in a way that... it's like any trend, it's like skinny jeans. It's a vocal trend. I like skinny jeans and hope they don't go away but I hope the vocal trend does dissipate. In the past there have been vocal trends, I always think of Marilyn Monroe who had such a breathy kind of girly thing and then I felt like there was a myriad of young ingenues who were trying to make it in Hollywood who took that on a little bit, they tried to take on that tone., Obviously it's different, we have a media tapestry that spans and webs out into so much. A California accent that might have started out as a Valley Girl has been translated in reality shows and spanning through a nation that then it becomes an infection and becomes rampant and now an official vocal trend. Even older women, smart, older women, mothers, wives whatever it is take it on to kind of be more sexually relevant or something.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>Vocal trends is an interesting term to describe the pandemic. How did you get into vocal trends?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>I've been obsessed with voice and sounds and accents and dialects and ostensibly it is a dialect; it's a combination of speech and pitch. I wonder what your real pitch is. For me I go lower, for you maybe you go up higher than what you naturally are.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>You're sort of a lady Henry Higgins.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>It's something that I'm sort of obsessed with. Even as a little girl I knew I wanted to be an actor but the idea of voice manipulation was like the ultimate acting job: you could be anyone. In the movie I play Segel, who's Gustav Werner's agent that's always on speaker phone. The big, fat, old Jewish man is me. I like to use those tools and these muscles to have fun and create characterizations where you're not judged by what you look like, you're judged by what you sound like so you can be anybody. I collected accents as a kid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>Like your character in the movie. Is the \"Star Wars Russian\" accent based on real life?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>No, that was just one I thought was fun. My brother and I do love that quote (\"these are not the droids you are looking for\") and for the movie I thought it would be funny to do the Russian accent. I love Russian accents and South East London accents and became obsessed with all the women who served meals (in restaurants in London).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>South East London? Like a Cockney accent?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>When I first went to England I thought of it as Cockney but since I lived there for four years it's like saying \"southern accent\" whilst there's a Alabama accent, there's a Texas accent. Southern is broad and Cockney is very broad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>So a South East London accent is exactly what it is as opposed to a Manchester Cockney.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>I was always really into it. The version of it in America was the sexy baby thing which I get so bristled at when I hear it and part it is: \"They've got it! Oh, don't get too near, I don't want to catch it.\" It is what it is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>So it was your love of voices and accents that led you to set the movie in this world?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>Absolutely. There are so many egos at play in the industry. When I first came here I thought I was going to conquer the industry and I thought I was really one of the greats but it's impossible to infiltrate. It's a real clique: people are very good at it but there was definitely a hierarchical system. \"That's the guy who does this,\" and \"That's the girl who does that.\" There's a handful of guys, a few who do the epics, a few who do the \"everyday man\" sarcastic wink in the eye kind of guys. You know: \"Meet Jack: he's got one foot in the door\" you know, that kind of guy. And then there's the women who do the award ceremonies. There's only a handful of them. It's very tiny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>So Lake, I guess the biggest question for me is are women finally starting to make a place for themselves in the voice-over world? Is it still a work in progress?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" src=\"https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F105745194&color=ff6600&auto_play=false&show_artwork=true\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>The truth is that women work a lot in voice-over, in commercials, in selling product, in things like that. Whether it's like \"these tampons are the best\" or you know, or the Emmys or whatever it is. Movie trailer voice-over, there's one, there's one movie trailer ever that ever was sounded by a woman, that's \u003cem>Gone in Sixty Seconds.\u003c/em> Melissa Disney did it and I know her now because of this movie. 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With \u003cem>In a World, \u003c/em>Bell's first feature as a triple-threat writer, director and star, she turns a lifetime of collecting different voices (a scene she hysterically portrays more than once in the film) into a tour de force exploration of the Hollywood that is heard and not seen: the voice-over industry, specifically the (mostly) men and (few) women that voice film trailers. We sat down with Bell to talk about women in the voice-over world, father daughter sexism, the difference between Cockney and South East London accents and the \"vocal trend and pandemic\" that is grown women speaking with the \"sexy baby voice.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>The first thing that I really want to know is how did you make a Hollywood comedy that is basically an indictment of patriarchy in the funniest, cleverest way by setting it in this world of voice-over trailers. 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The classic chip on your shoulder \"you're not the guy, you're the guy who's below the guy,\" that's Sam Soto who is not Don la Fontaine. 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You have the A story in the voice-over industry with the father-daughter competition and then you have the B story that keeps popping up of these baby voiced women. I'll say as a gay man it can irritate me when gay men have certain stereotypical inflections and my girlfriends say the same thing about baby-voiced women. Is it a peeve of yours?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>It's a huge peeve. I'm glad actually that you brought up that in the homosexual community you also have vocal trends and they're similar but here's what I'll say: in the homosexual community it makes utter sense because you're saying \"hey, you might not know this but this is the community that I'm a part of.\" I find it much more relevant and it actually has some substance behind it; it's a cue. Verses the sexy baby vocal virus which is you're basically saying \"I'm submissive to men and I'm 12. By being more 12-year-old like I'm being hopefully more appealing to the male sex.\" That is unfortunate, especially for very educated women who also fall prey to this.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>That was one of my favorite things: that you showed that one of these characters was a lawyer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003ciframe width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" src=\"https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F105736104&color=ff6600&auto_play=false&show_artwork=true\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>It's rampant in a way that... it's like any trend, it's like skinny jeans. It's a vocal trend. I like skinny jeans and hope they don't go away but I hope the vocal trend does dissipate. In the past there have been vocal trends, I always think of Marilyn Monroe who had such a breathy kind of girly thing and then I felt like there was a myriad of young ingenues who were trying to make it in Hollywood who took that on a little bit, they tried to take on that tone., Obviously it's different, we have a media tapestry that spans and webs out into so much. A California accent that might have started out as a Valley Girl has been translated in reality shows and spanning through a nation that then it becomes an infection and becomes rampant and now an official vocal trend. Even older women, smart, older women, mothers, wives whatever it is take it on to kind of be more sexually relevant or something.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>Vocal trends is an interesting term to describe the pandemic. 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I collected accents as a kid.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>Like your character in the movie. Is the \"Star Wars Russian\" accent based on real life?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>No, that was just one I thought was fun. My brother and I do love that quote (\"these are not the droids you are looking for\") and for the movie I thought it would be funny to do the Russian accent. I love Russian accents and South East London accents and became obsessed with all the women who served meals (in restaurants in London).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>South East London? Like a Cockney accent?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>When I first went to England I thought of it as Cockney but since I lived there for four years it's like saying \"southern accent\" whilst there's a Alabama accent, there's a Texas accent. Southern is broad and Cockney is very broad.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>So a South East London accent is exactly what it is as opposed to a Manchester Cockney.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>I was always really into it. The version of it in America was the sexy baby thing which I get so bristled at when I hear it and part it is: \"They've got it! Oh, don't get too near, I don't want to catch it.\" It is what it is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>So it was your love of voices and accents that led you to set the movie in this world?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Bell: \u003c/strong>Absolutely. There are so many egos at play in the industry. When I first came here I thought I was going to conquer the industry and I thought I was really one of the greats but it's impossible to infiltrate. It's a real clique: people are very good at it but there was definitely a hierarchical system. \"That's the guy who does this,\" and \"That's the girl who does that.\" There's a handful of guys, a few who do the epics, a few who do the \"everyday man\" sarcastic wink in the eye kind of guys. You know: \"Meet Jack: he's got one foot in the door\" you know, that kind of guy. And then there's the women who do the award ceremonies. There's only a handful of them. It's very tiny.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>KQED: \u003c/strong>So Lake, I guess the biggest question for me is are women finally starting to make a place for themselves in the voice-over world? 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