Struggle Means Learning: Difference in Eastern and Western Cultures

| November 15, 2012 | 9 Comments
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In 1979, when Jim Stigler was still a graduate student at the University of Michigan, he went to Japan to research teaching methods and found himself sitting in the back row of a crowded fourth-grade math class.

“The teacher was trying to teach the class how to draw three-dimensional cubes on paper,” Stigler explains, “and one kid was just totally having trouble with it. His cube looked all cockeyed, so the teacher said to him, ‘Why don’t you go put yours on the board?’ So right there I thought, ‘That’s interesting! He took the one who can’t do it and told him to go and put it on the board.’ ”

Stigler knew that in American classrooms, it was usually the best kid in the class who was invited to the board. And so he watched with interest as the Japanese student dutifully came to the board and started drawing, but still couldn’t complete the cube. Every few minutes, the teacher would ask the rest of the class whether the kid had gotten it right, and the class would look up from their work, and shake their heads no. And as the period progressed, Stigler noticed that he — Stigler — was getting more and more anxious.

In Japanese classrooms, teachers consciously design tasks that are slightly beyond the capabilities of the students they teach, so the students can actually experience struggling with something just outside their reach.

“I realized that I was sitting there starting to perspire,” he says, “because I was really empathizing with this kid. I thought, ‘This kid is going to break into tears!’ ”

But the kid didn’t break into tears. Stigler says the child continued to draw his cube with equanimity. “And at the end of the class, he did make his cube look right! And the teacher said to the class, ‘How does that look, class?’ And they all looked up and said, ‘He did it!’ And they broke into applause.” The kid smiled a huge smile and sat down, clearly proud of himself.

Stigler is now a professor of psychology at UCLA who studies teaching and learning around the world, and he says it was this small experience that first got him thinking about how differently East and West approach the experience of intellectual struggle.

“I think that from very early ages we [in America] see struggle as an indicator that you’re just not very smart,” Stigler says. “It’s a sign of low ability — people who are smart don’t struggle, they just naturally get it, that’s our folk theory. Whereas in Asian cultures they tend to see struggle more as an opportunity.”

In Eastern cultures, Stigler says, it’s just assumed that struggle is a predictable part of the learning process. Everyone is expected to struggle in the process of learning, and so struggling becomes a chance to show that you, the student, have what it takes emotionally to resolve the problem by persisting through that struggle.

“They’ve taught them that suffering can be a good thing,” Stigler says. “I mean it sounds bad, but I think that’s what they’ve taught them.”

Granting that there is a lot of cultural diversity within East and West and it’s possible to point to counterexamples in each, Stigler still sums up the difference this way: For the most part in American culture, intellectual struggle in schoolchildren is seen as an indicator of weakness, while in Eastern cultures it is not only tolerated but is often used to measure emotional strength.

It’s a small difference in approach that Stigler believes has some very big implications.

‘Struggle’

Stigler is not the first psychologist to notice the difference in how East and West approach the experience of intellectual struggle.

Jin Li is a professor at Brown University who, like Stigler, compares the learning beliefs of Asian and U.S. children. She says that to understand why these two cultures view struggle so differently, it’s good to step back and examine how they think about where academic excellence comes from.

For the past decade or so, Li has been recording conversations between American mothers and their children, and Taiwanese mothers and their children. Li then analyzes those conversations to see how the mothers talk to the children about school.

She shared with me one conversation that she had recorded between an American mother and her 8-year-old son.

The mother and the son are discussing books. The son, though young, is a great student who loves to learn. He tells his mother that he and his friends talk about books even during recess, and she responds with this:

Mother: Do you know that’s what smart people do, smart grown-ups?

Child: I know … talk about books.

Mother: Yeah. So that’s a pretty smart thing to do to talk about a book.

Child: Hmmm mmmm.

It’s a small exchange — a moment. But Li says, this drop of conversation contains a world of cultural assumptions and beliefs.

Essentially, the American mother is communicating to her son that the cause of his success in school is his intelligence. He’s smart — which, Li says, is a common American view.

“The idea of intelligence is believed in the West as a cause,” Li explains. “She is telling him that there is something in him, in his mind, that enables him to do what he does.”

But in many Asian cultures, Li says, academic excellence isn’t linked with intelligence in the same way. “It resides in what they do, but not who they are, what they’re born with,” she says.

She shares another conversation, this time between a Taiwanese mother and her 9-year-old son. They are talking about the piano — the boy won first place in a competition, and the mother is explaining to him why.

“You practiced and practiced with lots of energy,” she tells him. “It got really hard, but you made a great effort. You insisted on practicing yourself.”

“So the focus is on the process of persisting through it despite the challenges, not giving up, and that’s what leads to success,” Li says.

If struggle indicates strength — an ability to face down the challenges that inevitably occur when you are trying to learn something — you’re more willing to accept it.

All of this matters because the way you conceptualize the act of struggling with something profoundly affects your actual behavior.

Obviously if struggle indicates weakness — a lack of intelligence — it makes you feel bad, and so you’re less likely to put up with it. But if struggle indicates strength — an ability to face down the challenges that inevitably occur when you are trying to learn something — you’re more willing to accept it.

And Stigler feels in the real world it is easy to see the consequences of these different interpretations of struggle.

“We did a study many years ago with first-grade students,” he tells me. “We decided to go out and give the students an impossible math problem to work on, and then we would measure how long they worked on it before they gave up.”

The American students “worked on it less than 30 seconds on average and then they basically looked at us and said, ‘We haven’t had this,’ ” he says.

But the Japanese students worked for the entire hour on the impossible problem. “And finally we had to stop the session because the hour was up. And then we had to debrief them and say, ‘Oh, that was not a possible problem; that was an impossible problem!’ and they looked at us like, ‘What kind of animals are we?’ ” Stigler recalls.

“Think about that [kind of behavior] spread over a lifetime,” he says. “That’s a big difference.”

Not East Versus West

This is not to imply that the Eastern way of interpreting struggle — or anything else — is better than the Western way, or vice versa. Each have their strengths and weaknesses, which both sides know. Westerns tend to worry that their kids won’t be able to compete against Asian kids who excel in many areas but especially in math and science. Li says that educators from Asian countries have their own set of worries.

” ‘Our children are not creative. Our children do not have individuality. They’re just robots.’ You hear the educators from Asian countries express that concern, a lot,” she notes.

So, is it possible for one culture to adopt the beliefs of another culture if they see that culture producing better results?

Both Stigler and Li think that changing culture is hard, but that it’s possible to think differently in ways that can help. “Could we change our views of learning and place more emphasis on struggle?” Stigler asks. “Yeah.”

For example, Stigler says, in the Japanese classrooms that he’s studied, teachers consciously design tasks that are slightly beyond the capabilities of the students they teach, so the students can actually experience struggling with something just outside their reach. Then, once the task is mastered, the teachers actively point out that the student was able to accomplish it through hard work and struggle.

“And I just think that especially in schools, we don’t create enough of those experiences, and then we don’t point them out clearly enough.”

But we can, Stigler says.

In the meantime, he and the other psychologists doing this work say there are more differences to map — differences that allow both cultures to more clearly see who they are.

This post originally appeared on NPR.

Category: Big Ideas, Culture, Teaching Strategies

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1207611233 Melanie Link Taylor

    Very enjoyable article. I’ve had the opportunity to collaborate in many different classes, and the teachers have various approaches to the struggling student. The best achievement results do come with the ‘keep at it til you have it’ approach; acknowledging the student does have the ability to learn.

  • Steve

    I really enjoyed this posting. It reminds me of an article I read in my graduate studies on getting kids to “grapple” with text. It also reminded me of a principal who asks teachers why they only call on kids with their hands raised after asking a question. He believes the students who don’t know the answer need called on most! One last comment is that I often see well-intentioned teachers trying to create an environment of Socratic Questioning who end up with very frustrated kids because it is a fine line between struggling through a tough question and just getting pointlessly frustrated. Thanks for stretching my thinking tonight. If you don’t mind, I’d like to invite you to my blog as I’d love to hear your thoughtful comments to some educational issues with which I am currently grappling!
    Steve
    http://www.cuttingeducator.com

  • geri caruso

    This is a a very helpful insight. I think this is why some really smart kids just give up when the going gets tough. They are so used to “just getting it” that they really haven’t experienced the rewards of struggeling.

  • Sheena

    Great article. It explains what I often see in the U.S. classroom. Teachers want to make sure students are not struggling; this nurturing humanistic model creates a low stress classroom that inspires creativity. However, students are worried and surprised when they are asked to do something new and challenging. They are more used to the watch-practice methods in the learning videos. If a student struggles and comes up with the answer, they will learn for life. Interesting article, I never thought of it as an East-West culture difference – maybe because I went to school in the East and now teach in the West :)

    I found an interesting video study of math teaching across 7 countries, and the Japan model you describe is explained there. Also how we can blend the best of both worlds. See

    http://timssvideo.com/sites/default/files/A%20World%20of%20Difference.pdf

    http://timssvideo.com/

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  • Aminhotep

    Yoda wasnt completely right. Its not about “do and not do”. Its all about “try”.

  • Alessandra

    I really enjoyed reading this article and I think it explained well a major distinction between Eastern and Western teaching styles. I taught English to pre-K and elementary-aged students in Korea and was surprised at first by the level of difficulty of the tasks and expectations that my students were presented with, especially the younger ones. What surprised me even more, however, was that they often rose to the challenge and were able to learn skills that 3 and 4-year-olds in Western education systems would not necessarily be expected to learn. However, I also think that an interesting point was raised about the trade-offs of both the success and struggle-based approaches to pedagogy. Hopefully educators in both camps might be able to collaborate so that an educational methodology that presents a sort of “happy medium” can be developed!

  • Tricia Parker

    One of my favorite quotes on this topic is from Dr. Sylvia Rimm: “The surest path to high self-esteem is to be successful at something one perceived
    would be difficult. Each time we steal a student’s struggle, we steal the opportunity for them to build self-confidence. They must do hard things to feel good about themselves.”

  • Chris

    Very interesting addition to our understanding of how encouraging hard work is better for kids than telling them they’re “smart.” I would like to hear more about the dichotomy of teaching students to struggle in schools in the “East” and the lack of “creativity.” The process of creating — bringing something unique into being — often involves great struggle and perseverance. It would seem that the ability to struggle could be just as directly applied to that as to math problems.