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Instead, they play on our brains' innate willingness to believe in the metaphysical, while also reminding us of what we already know: humans will do horrendous things to themselves and others if they think it will get them closer to God. Even a cursory glance at real-life cults like \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NXIVM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Nxivm\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_International\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Children of God \u003c/a>and \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The People's Temple\u003c/a> demonstrate that. \"Cults, in all their endless variations and representations, point toward a profound human desire,\" KQED Pop's \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pop/4982/why-are-we-still-obsessed-with-cult-stories-source-family-martha-marcy-may-marlene\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Laura Schadler wrote in 2013\u003c/a>. \"One complicated, dark and endless.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That combination makes for a genre that can creep under our skin in a particularly efficient way. For example, reviews for 2018's \u003cem>Hereditary—\u003c/em>which was about a family slowly becoming overwhelmed by a Satanic cult—were downright visceral. \u003ca href=\"https://www.vulture.com/2018/06/toni-collette-in-hereditary-movie-review.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>Vulture\u003c/em>\u003c/a> called it \"cruel to the point of invasiveness\"; \u003cem>The Guardian\u003c/em>'s \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/17/hereditary-review-mark-kermode-horror-toni-collette-gabriel-byrne\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Mark Kermode described\u003c/a> \"a breathtaking jolt that made me gasp and recoil\" and used terms like \"shell-shocked\" and \"spine-tingling.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This tapping into our subconscious selves can quietly have another unintended consequence. Because of the way these movies juxtapose the familiar and the freaky, they can leave behind a residue that suggests it's wise to fear all religions that are not our own. 1973's \u003cem>The Wickerman\u003c/em> is a great example of this. In it, we see stern policeman Sergeant Howie leave the British mainland in pursuit of a missing girl. He lands on Summerisle, an isolated island off the coast of Scotland, where he is greeted by a community of pagans, who revel in mocking him at every turn.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-tDnavDCwI\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>The Wickerman\u003c/em> plays on old ideas about Paganism that were spread by Christian settlers when they first arrived in Great Britain. Signs of the struggle between the religions remain in the UK today. Most notably in Avebury, England, where you can see the largest stone circle in the world—believed to have been built by druids for religious and ceremonial purposes—with a Christian church sitting jarringly in the middle of it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sergeant Howie then, represents good, civilized Christianity, while the occupants of Summerisle represent the hedonism and heathenism of Paganism. He is order; they are chaos. He is virginal; they are overtly sexual. He is sober; they drink 'til they literally fall down. The Sergeant clings faithfully to his uniform and procedures but ultimately finds that both are meaningless in a community that does not share his values. In the end, Howie's rule book is no match for the islanders' ancient ceremonies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a \u003ca href=\"https://ew.com/movies/2019/06/06/fangoria-jordan-peele-ari-aster-midsommar/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=217D14EC-885B-11E9-8A9C-618D4744363C&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_ew&utm_medium=social\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">recent conversation\u003c/a> with writer/director Ari Aster, Jordan Peele said he believes that \u003cem>Midsommar\u003c/em> \"usurps \u003cem>The Wicker Man\u003c/em> as the most iconic Pagan movie.\" Peele notes that \"the final act ... was some of the most atrociously disturbing imagery I’ve ever seen on film, and yet I experienced it with this open-mouthed, wild-eyed gape. I think that part of how we get there is never reducing the villains to any kind of snarling monsters with an evil agenda.\" They are merely \"Other.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just as a line was drawn in \u003cem>The Wicker Man\u003c/em> between the civilized mainland and the barbarism of Summerisle, \u003cem>Children of the Corn\u003c/em> asks us to recognize a gulf between the religious and the educated; the backwards country yokel versus the sophisticated city dweller. It is a movie that asks us to embrace intellect, instead of faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even before a cult of fundamentalist children has tried to murder them, Vicky and her doctor boyfriend, Burt, make fun of a radio preacher as they drive the backroads of Nebraska. As the holy man enthusiastically lists the sinners that heaven has no room for, Burt shouts along sarcastically: \"No room for the college graduate! No room for people who watch public television!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs6z1D4gVp4\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In this world, the city folk are educated, principled and free, while small town people are uneducated, insular and easily controlled—all because of religion. The children can be commanded by their leader, Isaac, to go and kill, and before they do, they chant \"Praise God! Praise the Lord!\" It is left to Burt to attempt to reason with the brainwashed children. \"Any religion without love and compassion is false,\" he tells them. (How many of us would like to say the same to the \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Westboro Baptist Church\u003c/a>?)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Religious sect horror movies don't just tell us to fear the belief systems of outsiders, they tell us that other people's religions can be so pernicious, they can take hold of those closest to us before we've even had a chance to notice. This is the fate that befalls Rosemary Woodhouse in \u003cem>Rosemary's Baby\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffw1u0aXn0o\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Rosemary's husband sacrifices her eternal life and provides their firstborn son as a human vessel for the devil after he is bribed and influenced by the couple's neighbors, the Satan-worshipping Castavets. The Castavets' advanced age and doddering ways represent the fact that one of the powers of corrupting religions is their ability to look perfectly harmless at the outset.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A similar message is put forth by \u003cem>Hereditary.\u003c/em> In it, ordinary family life is invaded by unseen forces of darkness, wrought by a religious sect too power-hungry and spiritually powerful to fight against. In this family's battle for peace and normality, traditional symbols of comfort—a hearth, a bed, a tree house—all become traps in which Annie Graham's family are at their most vulnerable. Visually, the brightest light is invaded by opaque darkness. In the end, the biggest evil-doer of all turns out to be grandma.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Much has been made of \u003cem>Hereditary\u003c/em> being a metaphor for inherited mental illness and disease, but it also plays on ideas around religious radicalization and the eternal tolls suffered by the families left behind.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6wWKNij_1M\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The age we live in is such that most feel foolish expressing any belief in superstitions, but have to fight against humanity's basest instincts to dismiss them. We pride ourselves on our multicultural communities, while frequently understanding little about our neighbors' religions. These movies, then, play on our spiritual uncertainties and potentially could act as a catalyst to shoring up our own faiths. The challenge is making sure we don't dismiss other people's in the process.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"On the eve of the release of 'Midsommar,' we revisit horror movies featuring religious sects and explore why they still resonate so deeply. ","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1634585805,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":18,"wordCount":1240},"headData":{"title":"How Religious Sect Movies Like 'Midsommar' Get So Far Under Our Skin - KQED Pop","description":"On the eve of the release of 'Midsommar,' we revisit horror movies featuring religious sects and explore why they still resonate so deeply. ","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"How Religious Sect Movies Like 'Midsommar' Get So Far Under Our Skin","datePublished":"2019-07-02T19:39:08.000Z","dateModified":"2021-10-18T19:36:45.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"112213 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=112213","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/07/02/how-religious-sect-movies-like-midsommar-get-so-far-under-our-skin/","disqusTitle":"How Religious Sect Movies Like 'Midsommar' Get So Far Under Our Skin","templateType":"standard","featuredImageType":"standard","path":"/pop/112213/how-religious-sect-movies-like-midsommar-get-so-far-under-our-skin","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>A horror sub-category all of their own, religious sect movies use our most primeval instincts against us, playing on subconscious human fears about the mystical and what lurks beyond the veil. And the newest one, \u003cem>Midsommar\u003c/em>, is out this week.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/1Vnghdsjmd0'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/1Vnghdsjmd0'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>One of the reasons this disturbing little genre is so enduring is because it plays on beliefs that are hardwired within us. In \u003ca href=\"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/belief-and-the-brains-god-spot-1641022.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">2009, scientists discovered\u003c/a> several areas in our brains that process all things religion and spirituality. \"When we have incomplete knowledge of the world around us, it offers us the opportunities to believe in God,\" says Professor Jordan Grafman, from the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. \"When we don't have a scientific explanation for something, we tend to rely on supernatural explanations.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Unlike most horror films, movies that focus on religious groups don't ask us to suspend our disbelief. Instead, they play on our brains' innate willingness to believe in the metaphysical, while also reminding us of what we already know: humans will do horrendous things to themselves and others if they think it will get them closer to God. Even a cursory glance at real-life cults like \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NXIVM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Nxivm\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_International\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Children of God \u003c/a>and \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The People's Temple\u003c/a> demonstrate that. \"Cults, in all their endless variations and representations, point toward a profound human desire,\" KQED Pop's \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pop/4982/why-are-we-still-obsessed-with-cult-stories-source-family-martha-marcy-may-marlene\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Laura Schadler wrote in 2013\u003c/a>. \"One complicated, dark and endless.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That combination makes for a genre that can creep under our skin in a particularly efficient way. For example, reviews for 2018's \u003cem>Hereditary—\u003c/em>which was about a family slowly becoming overwhelmed by a Satanic cult—were downright visceral. \u003ca href=\"https://www.vulture.com/2018/06/toni-collette-in-hereditary-movie-review.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">\u003cem>Vulture\u003c/em>\u003c/a> called it \"cruel to the point of invasiveness\"; \u003cem>The Guardian\u003c/em>'s \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/17/hereditary-review-mark-kermode-horror-toni-collette-gabriel-byrne\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Mark Kermode described\u003c/a> \"a breathtaking jolt that made me gasp and recoil\" and used terms like \"shell-shocked\" and \"spine-tingling.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>This tapping into our subconscious selves can quietly have another unintended consequence. Because of the way these movies juxtapose the familiar and the freaky, they can leave behind a residue that suggests it's wise to fear all religions that are not our own. 1973's \u003cem>The Wickerman\u003c/em> is a great example of this. In it, we see stern policeman Sergeant Howie leave the British mainland in pursuit of a missing girl. He lands on Summerisle, an isolated island off the coast of Scotland, where he is greeted by a community of pagans, who revel in mocking him at every turn.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/a-tDnavDCwI'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/a-tDnavDCwI'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>The Wickerman\u003c/em> plays on old ideas about Paganism that were spread by Christian settlers when they first arrived in Great Britain. Signs of the struggle between the religions remain in the UK today. Most notably in Avebury, England, where you can see the largest stone circle in the world—believed to have been built by druids for religious and ceremonial purposes—with a Christian church sitting jarringly in the middle of it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sergeant Howie then, represents good, civilized Christianity, while the occupants of Summerisle represent the hedonism and heathenism of Paganism. He is order; they are chaos. He is virginal; they are overtly sexual. He is sober; they drink 'til they literally fall down. The Sergeant clings faithfully to his uniform and procedures but ultimately finds that both are meaningless in a community that does not share his values. In the end, Howie's rule book is no match for the islanders' ancient ceremonies.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In a \u003ca href=\"https://ew.com/movies/2019/06/06/fangoria-jordan-peele-ari-aster-midsommar/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_term=217D14EC-885B-11E9-8A9C-618D4744363C&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_ew&utm_medium=social\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">recent conversation\u003c/a> with writer/director Ari Aster, Jordan Peele said he believes that \u003cem>Midsommar\u003c/em> \"usurps \u003cem>The Wicker Man\u003c/em> as the most iconic Pagan movie.\" Peele notes that \"the final act ... was some of the most atrociously disturbing imagery I’ve ever seen on film, and yet I experienced it with this open-mouthed, wild-eyed gape. I think that part of how we get there is never reducing the villains to any kind of snarling monsters with an evil agenda.\" They are merely \"Other.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Just as a line was drawn in \u003cem>The Wicker Man\u003c/em> between the civilized mainland and the barbarism of Summerisle, \u003cem>Children of the Corn\u003c/em> asks us to recognize a gulf between the religious and the educated; the backwards country yokel versus the sophisticated city dweller. It is a movie that asks us to embrace intellect, instead of faith.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Even before a cult of fundamentalist children has tried to murder them, Vicky and her doctor boyfriend, Burt, make fun of a radio preacher as they drive the backroads of Nebraska. As the holy man enthusiastically lists the sinners that heaven has no room for, Burt shouts along sarcastically: \"No room for the college graduate! No room for people who watch public television!\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/Qs6z1D4gVp4'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/Qs6z1D4gVp4'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>In this world, the city folk are educated, principled and free, while small town people are uneducated, insular and easily controlled—all because of religion. The children can be commanded by their leader, Isaac, to go and kill, and before they do, they chant \"Praise God! Praise the Lord!\" It is left to Burt to attempt to reason with the brainwashed children. \"Any religion without love and compassion is false,\" he tells them. (How many of us would like to say the same to the \u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Westboro Baptist Church\u003c/a>?)\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Religious sect horror movies don't just tell us to fear the belief systems of outsiders, they tell us that other people's religions can be so pernicious, they can take hold of those closest to us before we've even had a chance to notice. This is the fate that befalls Rosemary Woodhouse in \u003cem>Rosemary's Baby\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/Ffw1u0aXn0o'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/Ffw1u0aXn0o'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>Rosemary's husband sacrifices her eternal life and provides their firstborn son as a human vessel for the devil after he is bribed and influenced by the couple's neighbors, the Satan-worshipping Castavets. The Castavets' advanced age and doddering ways represent the fact that one of the powers of corrupting religions is their ability to look perfectly harmless at the outset.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A similar message is put forth by \u003cem>Hereditary.\u003c/em> In it, ordinary family life is invaded by unseen forces of darkness, wrought by a religious sect too power-hungry and spiritually powerful to fight against. In this family's battle for peace and normality, traditional symbols of comfort—a hearth, a bed, a tree house—all become traps in which Annie Graham's family are at their most vulnerable. Visually, the brightest light is invaded by opaque darkness. In the end, the biggest evil-doer of all turns out to be grandma.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Much has been made of \u003cem>Hereditary\u003c/em> being a metaphor for inherited mental illness and disease, but it also plays on ideas around religious radicalization and the eternal tolls suffered by the families left behind.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/V6wWKNij_1M'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/V6wWKNij_1M'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The age we live in is such that most feel foolish expressing any belief in superstitions, but have to fight against humanity's basest instincts to dismiss them. We pride ourselves on our multicultural communities, while frequently understanding little about our neighbors' religions. These movies, then, play on our spiritual uncertainties and potentially could act as a catalyst to shoring up our own faiths. The challenge is making sure we don't dismiss other people's in the process.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/112213/how-religious-sect-movies-like-midsommar-get-so-far-under-our-skin","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_51"],"tags":["pop_3695","pop_3696","pop_3699","pop_3341","pop_3694","pop_3440","pop_3700","pop_340","pop_3698","pop_3289","pop_3697"],"featImg":"pop_112621","label":"pop"},"pop_112232":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_112232","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"112232","score":null,"sort":[1559679572000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"the-ramadan-podcast-where-muslims-go-beyond-islam-101","title":"The Ramadan Podcast Where Muslims Go Beyond 'Islam 101'","publishDate":1559679572,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>In a media landscape that can still be pretty awful for Muslims, \u003ca href=\"https://tell-them-i-am.scpr.org/\">\u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, a new podcast from KPCC, aims to give Muslims a space to define their own identities outside of stereotypes and broad generalizations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the course of the series, host and producer Misha Euceph interviewed 22 people, all Muslims, about the defining moments of their lives. While the show dropped episodes every weekday of Ramadan, \u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em> doesn't really have anything to do with the holiday. \"If somebody released something during Christmas time or during Hanukkah,\" Euceph says, \"they wouldn't necessarily be asked about like, what are important aspects of Christmas or Hanukkah.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's in each guest's hands how much they want to talk about culture or religion; for some it's a central part of their story, for others it's mostly incidental. Tan France of Queer Eye \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC4654190347\">talks about\u003c/a> his first big \"I told you so,\" which involved his older brother and a metal fan. Ramy Youssef, creator of the Hulu show \u003cem>Ramy\u003c/em>, \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC9282014844\">talks about\u003c/a> the medical condition that catalyzed his acting career. Alia Shawkat \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC6837056702\">talks about\u003c/a> the extremes of her stoner-y teenage rebellion, including borrowing urine to cheat a drug test (Spoiler: It didn't work).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And every episode of the podcast offers glimpses into Euceph's story: the fashion she endured to be more popular in middle school; the glamour she didn't quite inherit from her mother; the drive to prove people wrong that sent her up actual mountains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea for \u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em> has been brewing in Euceph's head for at least a decade, maybe longer. She says that when she moved to the U.S. from Pakistan in 2003, being Muslim went from the default to a label that eclipsed her entire identity. The name of the show is about transcending that—it comes from a story in the Bible, where God responds to the question, \"Who are you?\" by saying, \"You can tell them that I am 'I am.'\" Not a name, not a category, simply, \"I am.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We called up Euceph to ask about the highlights of her interviews—our interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>There's been a lot in the media recently about Muslims observing Ramadan, whether it's Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2019/05/21/725308102/muslim-lawmakers-host-ramadan-feast-at-capitol\">\u003cstrong>breaking the fast at the Capitol\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong> with other lawmakers, or Portland Trail Blazers center Enes Kanter \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/09/enes-kanter-when-ramadan-nba-playoffs-collide-my-faith-is-my-strength/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f34ee5c5b8c7\">\u003cstrong>fasting through the height of the NBA playoffs\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong>. These stories often focus on the challenges and spirituality of fasting. But is there anything deeper about Ramadan that people miss? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If somebody released something during Christmas time or during Hanukkah, they wouldn't necessarily be asked about like, what are important aspects of Christmas or Hanukkah. The way people often ask about Ramadan, it kinda goes to like, Islam 101.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We release this podcast during Ramadan because it's a time of community, and a lot of coverage is being focused on Muslims in that way, where there's this Ramadan 101 going on. But there's also like, \"What is a Muslim?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think education about what it means to be Muslim and the rituals of being Muslim is one thing, but there's so much to Muslims beyond that. And so many Muslims are not even necessarily fasting during Ramadan, but they are experiencing some form of community that's different. And so I think just allowing them to exist outside of just those rituals and those Orthodox practices that we commonly associate with Muslims, and allowing them to be culturally Muslim and allowing them to tell their stories outside of those boxes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>In the \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC9167622305\">\u003cstrong>first episode\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong> of your podcast, you talk about how there's only a few very specific ways that Muslims are depicted, but there aren't ever really times where they're shown as just normal. They're very much \"othered.\"\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yeah. For example, it's interesting to me that like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar are these congresswomen who are in positions of power, and they're doing things that are actually very much traditional. Like they're showing Muslims breaking their fast or they're like introducing people to like \"Oh, like this is what it means to be a Muslim.\" But there are also other aspects of Muslim culture that are a little bit deeper toned. There's a lot of Muslim music and Muslim art and I think there is so much more of that that could actually have more impact than educating people on what Ramadan means. No one else is going to fast to try to understand what it means to be Muslim, right? But people can see Muslim art or listen to Muslim music, even if they're not Muslim, and be impacted by it in the same way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so if there's something I want from people who are Muslim who are in positions of power, it's to get a little bit more nuanced. Because they are not thinking about the 101 aspect of being Muslim 24/7, so why are we dumbing it down for the general public? I think we actually will have a greater impact if we go a couple layers deeper.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Is there a moment you had while you were recording this show that you find especially powerful or memorable?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The [interview with \u003ca href=\"https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/tellthemiam?selected=KPC4117929019\">Deana Haggag\u003c/a>, CEO of the arts funding organization United States Artists] literally blew me away. I knew she was going to talk about taking her dad to this DIY Art Space in New Jersey. I had no idea the way that she was going to frame it as this emotional and mental switch where she had been thinking that she was running away from her culture by pursuing the arts, and then she realized that the arts were actually inherently part of everything in her culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_112234\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-112234\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680.jpg\" alt=\"Illustration of Deana Haggag.\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680.jpg 200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680-160x160.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Illustration of Deana Haggag. \u003ccite>(Emmen Ahmed/KPCC)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Like, she says everything down to our religion is in song, everything is dance and the country Egypt is a museum. And by institutionalizing art, she was doing something that was foreign to her parents because art was so much a part of their lives. Listening to her I was like, \"Oh my God. That's exactly the struggle that I have had.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And I related so deeply but I had never been able to articulate it in that way. My parents would recite Urdu poetry at the dinner table back and forth to each other, or in the car on a road trip we would listen to Sufi classical music. My dad does Islamic calligraphy in wood and leather as a hobby. These are things that are just deeply a part of my life. Colors and aesthetic and music and how we dress and look—all those things are such a part of who I am.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The show centers Muslim voices, but the stories aren't centered around being Muslim. How do you explain that to your interview subjects so that they understand what you're going for?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We were just like, we don't want to pigeonhole you. We don't want to ask you about that aspect of your identity. We want \u003cem>you \u003c/em>to figure out a defining moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think most of the people who ended up being guests on this show, they kind of got it right away, even if it took them a moment to figure out what that moment was in their life. But basically, what we would say is, \u003cem>\"Listen, you've probably always been asked about being Muslim and blah blah blah.\"\u003c/em> Some of our queer Muslim guests were like, \"Oh my God, thank God you're not asking me about the gay Muslim thing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You're really trying to move beyond the surface level of people's stories. How do you get that kind of vulnerability out of people?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think it's a wonder what listening can do. I try to mostly just stay quiet and stay out of the story and the interview process as much as possible....\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And when your interviewer is with somebody who's Muslim, who's also been pigeonholed, and who can relate to your experience I think maybe there's a little bit more of a comfort level there. You're willing to go to places where you wouldn't with another interviewer who doesn't know anything about your experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think a lot of times Muslims are called to respond to certain things in the media and they don't have control over their own narrative. And this simple act of not deciding ahead of time what the story is, but rather letting your guests dictate the story, gives them power to define their narrative again and to lead with their story rather than their label. Like you don't have to be a woman or brown or Muslim or all these other things that carry so much baggage and connotation, but instead they can be what it is that they want to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=The+Ramadan+Podcast+Where+Muslims+Take+It+Up+A+Notch+From+%27Islam+101%27+&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"In the KPCC podcast 'Tell Them, I Am,' Tan France talks about his first big \"I told you so,\" Ramy Youssef discusses the medical condition that catalyzed his acting career and Alia Shawkat explores her teenage rebellion.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1559679572,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":26,"wordCount":1533},"headData":{"title":"The Ramadan Podcast Where Muslims Go Beyond 'Islam 101' | KQED","description":"In the KPCC podcast 'Tell Them, I Am,' Tan France talks about his first big "I told you so," Ramy Youssef discusses the medical condition that catalyzed his acting career and Alia Shawkat explores her teenage rebellion.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"The Ramadan Podcast Where Muslims Go Beyond 'Islam 101'","datePublished":"2019-06-04T20:19:32.000Z","dateModified":"2019-06-04T20:19:32.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"112232 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=112232","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/06/04/the-ramadan-podcast-where-muslims-go-beyond-islam-101/","disqusTitle":"The Ramadan Podcast Where Muslims Go Beyond 'Islam 101'","nprImageCredit":"Emmen Ahmed","nprByline":"Michael Paulino","nprImageAgency":"KPCC","nprStoryId":"728750146","nprApiLink":"http://api.npr.org/query?id=728750146&apiKey=MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004","nprHtmlLink":"https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/06/03/728750146/the-ramadan-podcast-where-muslims-talk-religion-but-mostly-everything-else?ft=nprml&f=728750146","nprRetrievedStory":"1","nprPubDate":"Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:02:00 -0400","nprStoryDate":"Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:01:00 -0400","nprLastModifiedDate":"Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:02:50 -0400","path":"/pop/112232/the-ramadan-podcast-where-muslims-go-beyond-islam-101","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>In a media landscape that can still be pretty awful for Muslims, \u003ca href=\"https://tell-them-i-am.scpr.org/\">\u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em>\u003c/a>, a new podcast from KPCC, aims to give Muslims a space to define their own identities outside of stereotypes and broad generalizations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Over the course of the series, host and producer Misha Euceph interviewed 22 people, all Muslims, about the defining moments of their lives. While the show dropped episodes every weekday of Ramadan, \u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em> doesn't really have anything to do with the holiday. \"If somebody released something during Christmas time or during Hanukkah,\" Euceph says, \"they wouldn't necessarily be asked about like, what are important aspects of Christmas or Hanukkah.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's in each guest's hands how much they want to talk about culture or religion; for some it's a central part of their story, for others it's mostly incidental. Tan France of Queer Eye \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC4654190347\">talks about\u003c/a> his first big \"I told you so,\" which involved his older brother and a metal fan. Ramy Youssef, creator of the Hulu show \u003cem>Ramy\u003c/em>, \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC9282014844\">talks about\u003c/a> the medical condition that catalyzed his acting career. Alia Shawkat \u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC6837056702\">talks about\u003c/a> the extremes of her stoner-y teenage rebellion, including borrowing urine to cheat a drug test (Spoiler: It didn't work).\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And every episode of the podcast offers glimpses into Euceph's story: the fashion she endured to be more popular in middle school; the glamour she didn't quite inherit from her mother; the drive to prove people wrong that sent her up actual mountains.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The idea for \u003cem>Tell Them, I Am\u003c/em> has been brewing in Euceph's head for at least a decade, maybe longer. She says that when she moved to the U.S. from Pakistan in 2003, being Muslim went from the default to a label that eclipsed her entire identity. The name of the show is about transcending that—it comes from a story in the Bible, where God responds to the question, \"Who are you?\" by saying, \"You can tell them that I am 'I am.'\" Not a name, not a category, simply, \"I am.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We called up Euceph to ask about the highlights of her interviews—our interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>There's been a lot in the media recently about Muslims observing Ramadan, whether it's Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2019/05/21/725308102/muslim-lawmakers-host-ramadan-feast-at-capitol\">\u003cstrong>breaking the fast at the Capitol\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong> with other lawmakers, or Portland Trail Blazers center Enes Kanter \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/09/enes-kanter-when-ramadan-nba-playoffs-collide-my-faith-is-my-strength/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f34ee5c5b8c7\">\u003cstrong>fasting through the height of the NBA playoffs\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong>. These stories often focus on the challenges and spirituality of fasting. But is there anything deeper about Ramadan that people miss? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>If somebody released something during Christmas time or during Hanukkah, they wouldn't necessarily be asked about like, what are important aspects of Christmas or Hanukkah. The way people often ask about Ramadan, it kinda goes to like, Islam 101.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We release this podcast during Ramadan because it's a time of community, and a lot of coverage is being focused on Muslims in that way, where there's this Ramadan 101 going on. But there's also like, \"What is a Muslim?\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think education about what it means to be Muslim and the rituals of being Muslim is one thing, but there's so much to Muslims beyond that. And so many Muslims are not even necessarily fasting during Ramadan, but they are experiencing some form of community that's different. And so I think just allowing them to exist outside of just those rituals and those Orthodox practices that we commonly associate with Muslims, and allowing them to be culturally Muslim and allowing them to tell their stories outside of those boxes.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>In the \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://megaphone.link/KPC9167622305\">\u003cstrong>first episode\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003cstrong> of your podcast, you talk about how there's only a few very specific ways that Muslims are depicted, but there aren't ever really times where they're shown as just normal. They're very much \"othered.\"\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yeah. For example, it's interesting to me that like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar are these congresswomen who are in positions of power, and they're doing things that are actually very much traditional. Like they're showing Muslims breaking their fast or they're like introducing people to like \"Oh, like this is what it means to be a Muslim.\" But there are also other aspects of Muslim culture that are a little bit deeper toned. There's a lot of Muslim music and Muslim art and I think there is so much more of that that could actually have more impact than educating people on what Ramadan means. No one else is going to fast to try to understand what it means to be Muslim, right? But people can see Muslim art or listen to Muslim music, even if they're not Muslim, and be impacted by it in the same way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so if there's something I want from people who are Muslim who are in positions of power, it's to get a little bit more nuanced. Because they are not thinking about the 101 aspect of being Muslim 24/7, so why are we dumbing it down for the general public? I think we actually will have a greater impact if we go a couple layers deeper.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Is there a moment you had while you were recording this show that you find especially powerful or memorable?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The [interview with \u003ca href=\"https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/tellthemiam?selected=KPC4117929019\">Deana Haggag\u003c/a>, CEO of the arts funding organization United States Artists] literally blew me away. I knew she was going to talk about taking her dad to this DIY Art Space in New Jersey. I had no idea the way that she was going to frame it as this emotional and mental switch where she had been thinking that she was running away from her culture by pursuing the arts, and then she realized that the arts were actually inherently part of everything in her culture.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_112234\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"max-width: 200px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-112234\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680.jpg\" alt=\"Illustration of Deana Haggag.\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680.jpg 200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/06/deanna_haggag__sq-18dfe5d20af073a67a1b6d80e5a98cd8ea9a8680-160x160.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Illustration of Deana Haggag. \u003ccite>(Emmen Ahmed/KPCC)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Like, she says everything down to our religion is in song, everything is dance and the country Egypt is a museum. And by institutionalizing art, she was doing something that was foreign to her parents because art was so much a part of their lives. Listening to her I was like, \"Oh my God. That's exactly the struggle that I have had.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And I related so deeply but I had never been able to articulate it in that way. My parents would recite Urdu poetry at the dinner table back and forth to each other, or in the car on a road trip we would listen to Sufi classical music. My dad does Islamic calligraphy in wood and leather as a hobby. These are things that are just deeply a part of my life. Colors and aesthetic and music and how we dress and look—all those things are such a part of who I am.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>The show centers Muslim voices, but the stories aren't centered around being Muslim. How do you explain that to your interview subjects so that they understand what you're going for?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>We were just like, we don't want to pigeonhole you. We don't want to ask you about that aspect of your identity. We want \u003cem>you \u003c/em>to figure out a defining moment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think most of the people who ended up being guests on this show, they kind of got it right away, even if it took them a moment to figure out what that moment was in their life. But basically, what we would say is, \u003cem>\"Listen, you've probably always been asked about being Muslim and blah blah blah.\"\u003c/em> Some of our queer Muslim guests were like, \"Oh my God, thank God you're not asking me about the gay Muslim thing.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>You're really trying to move beyond the surface level of people's stories. How do you get that kind of vulnerability out of people?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think it's a wonder what listening can do. I try to mostly just stay quiet and stay out of the story and the interview process as much as possible....\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And when your interviewer is with somebody who's Muslim, who's also been pigeonholed, and who can relate to your experience I think maybe there's a little bit more of a comfort level there. You're willing to go to places where you wouldn't with another interviewer who doesn't know anything about your experience.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think a lot of times Muslims are called to respond to certain things in the media and they don't have control over their own narrative. And this simple act of not deciding ahead of time what the story is, but rather letting your guests dictate the story, gives them power to define their narrative again and to lead with their story rather than their label. Like you don't have to be a woman or brown or Muslim or all these other things that carry so much baggage and connotation, but instead they can be what it is that they want to be.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=The+Ramadan+Podcast+Where+Muslims+Take+It+Up+A+Notch+From+%27Islam+101%27+&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/112232/the-ramadan-podcast-where-muslims-go-beyond-islam-101","authors":["byline_pop_112232"],"categories":["pop_5","pop_3"],"tags":["pop_3682","pop_3683","pop_3147","pop_3581","pop_3582","pop_340","pop_3681"],"featImg":"pop_112233","label":"pop"},"pop_111733":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_111733","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"111733","score":null,"sort":[1557374714000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"halima-aden-is-first-to-wear-a-burkini-in-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-issue","title":"Halima Aden Is First To Wear A Burkini In 'Sports Illustrated' Swimsuit Issue","publishDate":1557374714,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>Halima Aden, a Somali American and Muslim model, is the first woman to pose in a burkini for \u003cem>Sports Illustrated's\u003c/em> swimsuit issue, which hits newsstands Wednesday.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Growing up in the States, I never really felt represented because I never could flip through a magazine and see a girl who was wearing a hijab,\" Aden says in a video for \u003cem>Sports Illustrated\u003c/em>, as she models several colorful head-to-toe swimwear designs. \"Don't be afraid to be the first.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/SI_Swimsuit/status/1122901513884581888\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Aden, who was born to Somali parents in the Kakuma refugee camp in northeastern Kenya and moved to the U.S. at 6, returned to her birth country for her photo shoot on Kenya's Watamu Beach.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It's not her first time modeling in modest swimwear. She competed as the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/11/29/503729951/the-beauty-pageant-contestant-wore-a-burkini\">first burkini-clad pageant contestant\u003c/a> for the Miss Minnesota USA pageant in 2016, where she was a semifinalist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/SI_Swimsuit/status/1122834660428480512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1122834660428480512&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2Fsections%2Fgoatsandsoda%2F2019%2F05%2F08%2F721228368%2Fhalima-aden-is-first-to-wear-a-burkini-in-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-issue\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The swimwear shoot has earned the model praise from social media users and public figures such as Rep. Ilhan Omar, who \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1125077190322872322\">congratulated\u003c/a> her on Twitter: \"As my fellow Minnesotan and Somali refugee, I am so proud of you for working to get here and to propel the conversation forward.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1125077190322872322?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1125077190322872322&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2Fsections%2Fgoatsandsoda%2F2019%2F05%2F08%2F721228368%2Fhalima-aden-is-first-to-wear-a-burkini-in-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-issue\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But some have critiqued her decision to pose for \u003cem>Sports Illustrated\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/ShireenQudosi/status/1122876686599540738?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1122876686599540738&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2Fsections%2Fgoatsandsoda%2F2019%2F05%2F08%2F721228368%2Fhalima-aden-is-first-to-wear-a-burkini-in-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-issue\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others have questioned where magazines like \u003cem>Sports Illustrated\u003c/em> fit into the larger conversations around burkinis and modest fashion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The burkini has, unfortunately, gone from a personal sartorial choice to a politicized item of clothing in recent years,\" \u003ca href=\"https://www.stylist.co.uk/life/sports-illustrated-burkini-model-halima-aden-swimsuit-issue/264418/amp?__twitter_impression=true\">writes Sarah Shaffi\u003c/a> for London's \u003cem>Stylist\u003c/em> magazine. The \"congratulatory tone over [Aden's] \u003cem>Sports Illustrated \u003c/em>cover makes me uncomfortable. ... It's annoying, to put it simply, that it's taken a magazine that largely caters to Western, white audiences to show the world that the burkini is acceptable.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's a closer look at the swimsuit that continues to spark worldwide debate:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What is a burkini? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Burkini\" is a portmanteau of bikini and burqa—a long, loose outer garment that some Muslim women wear to the beach or the pool. They're basically full-body swimsuits that cover everything but the face, hands and feet. Some women also wear the garment as activewear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lebanese Australian Aheda Zanetti \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/24/i-created-the-burkini-to-give-women-freedom-not-to-take-it-away?CMP=share_btn_tw\">is credited with inventing\u003c/a> the burkini in 2004 to accommodate a hijab-wearing niece who wanted to play sports. She's even trademarked the name. Zanetti's designs aren't the only option—lots and lots of brands based around the world now make burkinis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the \u003cem>Sports Illustrated\u003c/em> shoot, Aden modeled several burkinis, including an all-black design with beading by the luxury activewear brand \u003ca href=\"https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiF7LCKt4riAhWVt-wKHa4dBMEYABAAGgJwag&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD2Knms7nW3Z4aI1C83YEh5e8OSbI9PbGth-bjgjcIlDz2Rbm4rRCtNIAnDJlsrNBiEkY6lih8psNXbhox1_8Q&sig=AOD64_1agJgZYnm6SZYLj88zv2XswkPdvw&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjKh6iKt4riAhWaJzQIHfCeDsUQ0Qx6BAgMEAE&adurl=\">No Ka'Oi\u003c/a> and a custom-designed, \u003ca href=\"https://cynthiarowley.com/products/prism-colorblock-burkini?variant=27930217152577\">color-blocked burkini\u003c/a> by American designer Cynthia Rowley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why wear a burkini?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many practicing Muslim women follow the \u003cem>Quran\u003c/em>'s call to \"\u003ca href=\"http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-23/why-do-muslim-women-wear-a-burka-niqab-or-hijab/5761510\">cover and be modest\u003c/a>\" in dress. Zanetti has said she designed the burkini so that Muslim women who want to dress modestly could partake in the active Australian (and beach-focused) lifestyle, and comfortably surf, swim or just lounge by the beach.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others wear burkinis to protect their skin from UV damage, or simply because they feel more comfortable when they're covered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Cities have considered banning them\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2016, a number of cities in France were debating banning the \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/17/french-pm-supports-local-bans-burkinis\">burkini\u003c/a>, arguing that the body-covering swimwear wasn't in line with France's secular views. France's highest court ultimately ruled in 2016 that a burkini ban was unconstitutional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The city of Geneva \u003ca href=\"https://www.thelocal.ch/20171207/geneva-bans-burkini-and-topless-bathing-in-citys-swimming-pools\">banned burkinis \u003c/a>in 2017.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the burkini has its defenders in Europe. In 2018, \u003ca href=\"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44600471\">a school in Germany\u003c/a> purchased burkinis for students to wear in swim class. Some lawmakers protested. But a government minister supported the school's decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And this spring, the town of Ghent, Belgium, ruled that two public pools \u003ca href=\"http://www.flanderstoday.eu/ghent-court-rules-against-burkini-ban-swimming-pools\">that had banned burkinis\u003c/a>—and all public pools in Ghent and the neighboring community of Merelbeke—should allow women to wear the garment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Modest swimwear has a long history\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Western swimwear has evolved dramatically over the centuries—in the \u003ca href=\"http://www.bustle.com/articles/140660-the-evolution-of-the-bathing-suit-from-the-1800s-until-today-proves-one-very-important-thing\">1800s, suits covered most of the female bather's\u003c/a> body. Meanwhile, Orthodox Jewish women have \u003ca href=\"http://forward.com/sisterhood/348382/seriously-what-orthodox-women-wear-to-the-beach-is-no-different-from-a-burk/\">strikingly similar swimwear\u003c/a>. As for the burkini—and do-it-yourself variations—they're part of the beach scene in \u003ca href=\"http://qz.com/767390/long-live-the-burkini-indian-women-have-embraced-similar-swimwear-for-years/\">India\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"http://www.france24.com/en/20160824-burkini-north-africa-most-people-dont-care\">North Africa\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Maanvi Singh is a freelance writer and a regular contributor to NPR. Contact her @maanvisings\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Halima+Aden+Is+First+To+Wear+A+Burkini+In+%27Sports+Illustrated%27+Swimsuit+Issue&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The Somali American model was also the first to wear a burkini in the Miss Minnesota USA pageant in 2016. Find out more about the garment—and the controversies it has sparked.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1557374714,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":false,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":26,"wordCount":861},"headData":{"title":"Halima Aden Is First To Wear A Burkini In 'Sports Illustrated' Swimsuit Issue | KQED","description":"The Somali American model was also the first to wear a burkini in the Miss Minnesota USA pageant in 2016. 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She competed as the \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/11/29/503729951/the-beauty-pageant-contestant-wore-a-burkini\">first burkini-clad pageant contestant\u003c/a> for the Miss Minnesota USA pageant in 2016, where she was a semifinalist.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1122834660428480512"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>The swimwear shoot has earned the model praise from social media users and public figures such as Rep. Ilhan Omar, who \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1125077190322872322\">congratulated\u003c/a> her on Twitter: \"As my fellow Minnesotan and Somali refugee, I am so proud of you for working to get here and to propel the conversation forward.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1125077190322872322"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>But some have critiqued her decision to pose for \u003cem>Sports Illustrated\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1122876686599540738"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Others have questioned where magazines like \u003cem>Sports Illustrated\u003c/em> fit into the larger conversations around burkinis and modest fashion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"The burkini has, unfortunately, gone from a personal sartorial choice to a politicized item of clothing in recent years,\" \u003ca href=\"https://www.stylist.co.uk/life/sports-illustrated-burkini-model-halima-aden-swimsuit-issue/264418/amp?__twitter_impression=true\">writes Sarah Shaffi\u003c/a> for London's \u003cem>Stylist\u003c/em> magazine. The \"congratulatory tone over [Aden's] \u003cem>Sports Illustrated \u003c/em>cover makes me uncomfortable. ... It's annoying, to put it simply, that it's taken a magazine that largely caters to Western, white audiences to show the world that the burkini is acceptable.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here's a closer look at the swimsuit that continues to spark worldwide debate:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>What is a burkini? \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Burkini\" is a portmanteau of bikini and burqa—a long, loose outer garment that some Muslim women wear to the beach or the pool. They're basically full-body swimsuits that cover everything but the face, hands and feet. Some women also wear the garment as activewear.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Lebanese Australian Aheda Zanetti \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/24/i-created-the-burkini-to-give-women-freedom-not-to-take-it-away?CMP=share_btn_tw\">is credited with inventing\u003c/a> the burkini in 2004 to accommodate a hijab-wearing niece who wanted to play sports. She's even trademarked the name. Zanetti's designs aren't the only option—lots and lots of brands based around the world now make burkinis.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the \u003cem>Sports Illustrated\u003c/em> shoot, Aden modeled several burkinis, including an all-black design with beading by the luxury activewear brand \u003ca href=\"https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiF7LCKt4riAhWVt-wKHa4dBMEYABAAGgJwag&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD2Knms7nW3Z4aI1C83YEh5e8OSbI9PbGth-bjgjcIlDz2Rbm4rRCtNIAnDJlsrNBiEkY6lih8psNXbhox1_8Q&sig=AOD64_1agJgZYnm6SZYLj88zv2XswkPdvw&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjKh6iKt4riAhWaJzQIHfCeDsUQ0Qx6BAgMEAE&adurl=\">No Ka'Oi\u003c/a> and a custom-designed, \u003ca href=\"https://cynthiarowley.com/products/prism-colorblock-burkini?variant=27930217152577\">color-blocked burkini\u003c/a> by American designer Cynthia Rowley.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Why wear a burkini?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Many practicing Muslim women follow the \u003cem>Quran\u003c/em>'s call to \"\u003ca href=\"http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-23/why-do-muslim-women-wear-a-burka-niqab-or-hijab/5761510\">cover and be modest\u003c/a>\" in dress. Zanetti has said she designed the burkini so that Muslim women who want to dress modestly could partake in the active Australian (and beach-focused) lifestyle, and comfortably surf, swim or just lounge by the beach.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Others wear burkinis to protect their skin from UV damage, or simply because they feel more comfortable when they're covered.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Cities have considered banning them\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In 2016, a number of cities in France were debating banning the \u003ca href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/17/french-pm-supports-local-bans-burkinis\">burkini\u003c/a>, arguing that the body-covering swimwear wasn't in line with France's secular views. France's highest court ultimately ruled in 2016 that a burkini ban was unconstitutional.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The city of Geneva \u003ca href=\"https://www.thelocal.ch/20171207/geneva-bans-burkini-and-topless-bathing-in-citys-swimming-pools\">banned burkinis \u003c/a>in 2017.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But the burkini has its defenders in Europe. In 2018, \u003ca href=\"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44600471\">a school in Germany\u003c/a> purchased burkinis for students to wear in swim class. Some lawmakers protested. But a government minister supported the school's decision.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And this spring, the town of Ghent, Belgium, ruled that two public pools \u003ca href=\"http://www.flanderstoday.eu/ghent-court-rules-against-burkini-ban-swimming-pools\">that had banned burkinis\u003c/a>—and all public pools in Ghent and the neighboring community of Merelbeke—should allow women to wear the garment.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Modest swimwear has a long history\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Western swimwear has evolved dramatically over the centuries—in the \u003ca href=\"http://www.bustle.com/articles/140660-the-evolution-of-the-bathing-suit-from-the-1800s-until-today-proves-one-very-important-thing\">1800s, suits covered most of the female bather's\u003c/a> body. Meanwhile, Orthodox Jewish women have \u003ca href=\"http://forward.com/sisterhood/348382/seriously-what-orthodox-women-wear-to-the-beach-is-no-different-from-a-burk/\">strikingly similar swimwear\u003c/a>. As for the burkini—and do-it-yourself variations—they're part of the beach scene in \u003ca href=\"http://qz.com/767390/long-live-the-burkini-indian-women-have-embraced-similar-swimwear-for-years/\">India\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"http://www.france24.com/en/20160824-burkini-north-africa-most-people-dont-care\">North Africa\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Maanvi Singh is a freelance writer and a regular contributor to NPR. Contact her @maanvisings\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003c/em>\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Halima+Aden+Is+First+To+Wear+A+Burkini+In+%27Sports+Illustrated%27+Swimsuit+Issue&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/111733/halima-aden-is-first-to-wear-a-burkini-in-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-issue","authors":["byline_pop_111733"],"categories":["pop_56","pop_1041"],"tags":["pop_3616","pop_340","pop_3615"],"featImg":"pop_111734","label":"pop"},"pop_111457":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_111457","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"111457","score":null,"sort":[1556610585000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"patricia-arquette-talks-the-act-religion-and-lessons-from-her-trans-sibling","title":"Patricia Arquette Talks 'The Act,' Religion, And Lessons From Her Trans Sibling","publishDate":1556610585,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>In 2015, a woman named Dee Dee Blanchard was found stabbed to death in the Missouri home she shared with her teenage daughter, Gypsy Rose.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>As the details surrounding the murder came out, it was revealed that Blanchard had falsely convinced Gypsy Rose and everyone they knew—including doctors—that Gypsy Rose was seriously ill and needed to use a wheelchair. After her death, Blanchard was posthumously diagnosed with \u003ca href=\"https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001555.htm\">Munchausen syndrome by proxy\u003c/a>, a mental health disorder in which a person makes up or causes illness in a person under their care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Actor Patricia Arquette, who plays Blanchard in the new Hulu series \u003cem>The Act,\u003c/em> says it was \"very weird\" to get into the character's head: \"I had to kind of think of who Dee Dee was outside of all of those judgments people had after the fact.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Arquette sees Munchausen syndrome by proxy as a sign of \"toxic codependency,\" in which a parent feels the need to care for a child to an extreme degree.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We all have natural instincts as parents. When something's wrong with our kid, we think we have an instinct of what it might be,\" Arquette says. \"I think Dee Dee has all these things in excess and in dangerous amounts.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Arquette has taken on a series of complex roles in the past few years. In 2019, she won a Golden Globe award for her portrayal of civilian prison worker Joyce \"Tilly\" Mitchell in the Showtime series \u003cem>Escape at Dannemora.\u003c/em> And in 2015 she won an Academy Award for her role as a single mother in Richard Linklater's film \u003cem>Boyhood\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_5fqDZCjQo\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003ch3>Interview Highlights\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On learning about Munchausen syndrome by proxy to play Dee Dee Blanchard in \u003c/strong>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>The Act\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that it's really under-studied and a lot is not known about it at this point. Part of my research was looking at what doctors were saying about Munchausen by proxy. Oftentimes people, when they were children themselves, they were ill, and they got attention when they were ill. ... That's how they got some of their needs met. So that's part of it. Also, the parents sometimes are using it for their own personal need for attention, or to raise money, or a combination of those [things].\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On her role as a civilian prison worker who enables a prison break in the Showtime series \u003c/strong>\u003cstrong>\u003cem>Escape at Dannemora, \u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003cstrong>which is based on a true story\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Conceptually, as a woman, I was really excited to explore this middle-aged woman being a sexual being, and being really comfortable with her body and being sexual—in her sexuality, being in her body completely, which is so different than me, because I've grown up in this Hollywood structure that's always telling you, \"You're not right no matter what the hell you look like. No matter how young and beautiful you are, you're not beautiful enough, and there's always something wrong with your body, and there's always something wrong with the way you look.\" So the idea to play a middle-aged woman who is unapologetic about her sexuality was very exciting to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On growing up in a household in which multiple religions were practiced \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My mom was Jewish, and my dad was Muslim, and I went to Catholic school, and I wanted to be a nun, and at one point my brother was Buddhist. My parents believed there was only one God, and that really we all had the right as people to decide spiritually what our own paths were. ... We were raised to really respect all religions and all peaceful people—people [that] love God and even people that don't love God. We were raised to have a lot of tolerance for religious differences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On her father's conversion to Islam \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At one point my dad said, \"You know what? I'm going to convert to Judaism.\" And [my mom] said, \"Oh that's great.\" And so he went to go convert, and he got lost, and he came home, and he said, \"Hey, I have something to tell you. I converted to Islam today.\" She said, \"Only you! You've got to be kidding me.\" ... He said, \"You know, I got lost, and I ended up at this mosque, and I went in to ask for directions, and I ended up talking to the imam. And then we got into a really deep conversation about religion and it really felt right. And so that's what I did.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On walking away from a role early in her career, shortly after giving birth to her first child \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The premise [of the project] is that there is a camera in a closet, and this guy secretly tapes women he's with. ... I said [to the director], \"Well what do you want to see?\" Meanwhile, I'm breastfeeding, you know? So I was feeling pretty vulnerable. He was like, \"I don't know, I just want you to sign something saying you'll do whatever we want.\" I was like, \"I can't sign something saying I'll do whatever you want. What do you want to see? This camera's not moving around; it's in a closet. What exactly do you want to see?\" And he said he wouldn't work that way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so, even though I was broke and I had a baby, I had to walk away from that job. I had to say, \"Well, I can't do your job, then, because I don't feel comfortable just signing something saying I'll do whatever you want with my naked body.\" It sucked that I was a poor mom with a little baby at home, and this director just didn't know what the hell he wanted. And couldn't be just a human being about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On learning that her sibling was transgender \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the time, I think it freaked me out ... the world that [Alexis] was going to be having to deal with—all the bigotry and the danger that she might encounter. We were incredibly close, and we had really deep conversations about it. [Alexis died in 2016.] And I was so grateful that Alexis taught me so much about opening my heart and understanding things that I didn't really understand from my own experience. We'd already lost a lot of our family by that point. And a part of me realized: I don't know what shape or body anyone comes in with, but I love you, and I trust you. I don't know what it feels like to be trans, but I trust you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But there were a lot of feelings, and I think Alexis was tough enough to work it through with all of us, and let us have our feelings, and our questions, and our fears, and our concerns, and even things that were probably not the greatest. Alexis was really down for us having that whole process and conversation. ... It took a while for me. It was [my sister] Rosanna who was like, \"Oh, she's like a butterfly. It's just a transition, you know?\" And that was really beautiful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://www.npr.org/player/embed/718216601/718340258\" width=\"100%\" height=\"290\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Lauren Krenzel and Seth Kelley produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Seth Kelley and Beth Novey adapted it for the Web.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 Fresh Air. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/\">Fresh Air\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=Patricia+Arquette+Explores+The+%27Toxic+Codependency%27+Of+Munchausen+By+Proxy&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Arquette plays a Missouri woman who falsely convinced the world that her child was seriously ill, in the Hulu series \u003cem>The Act. \u003c/em>She says it was\u003cem> \"\u003c/em>very weird\" getting into the character's head.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1556742042,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":24,"wordCount":1251},"headData":{"title":"Patricia Arquette Talks 'The Act,' Religion, And Lessons From Her Trans Sibling | KQED","description":"Arquette plays a Missouri woman who falsely convinced the world that her child was seriously ill, in the Hulu series The Act. 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After her death, Blanchard was posthumously diagnosed with \u003ca href=\"https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001555.htm\">Munchausen syndrome by proxy\u003c/a>, a mental health disorder in which a person makes up or causes illness in a person under their care.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Actor Patricia Arquette, who plays Blanchard in the new Hulu series \u003cem>The Act,\u003c/em> says it was \"very weird\" to get into the character's head: \"I had to kind of think of who Dee Dee was outside of all of those judgments people had after the fact.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Arquette sees Munchausen syndrome by proxy as a sign of \"toxic codependency,\" in which a parent feels the need to care for a child to an extreme degree.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"We all have natural instincts as parents. When something's wrong with our kid, we think we have an instinct of what it might be,\" Arquette says. \"I think Dee Dee has all these things in excess and in dangerous amounts.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Arquette has taken on a series of complex roles in the past few years. In 2019, she won a Golden Globe award for her portrayal of civilian prison worker Joyce \"Tilly\" Mitchell in the Showtime series \u003cem>Escape at Dannemora.\u003c/em> And in 2015 she won an Academy Award for her role as a single mother in Richard Linklater's film \u003cem>Boyhood\u003c/em>.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/Y_5fqDZCjQo'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/Y_5fqDZCjQo'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003chr>\n\u003ch3>Interview Highlights\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On learning about Munchausen syndrome by proxy to play Dee Dee Blanchard in \u003c/strong>\u003cem>\u003cstrong>The Act\u003c/strong>\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I think that it's really under-studied and a lot is not known about it at this point. 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Also, the parents sometimes are using it for their own personal need for attention, or to raise money, or a combination of those [things].\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On her role as a civilian prison worker who enables a prison break in the Showtime series \u003c/strong>\u003cstrong>\u003cem>Escape at Dannemora, \u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003cstrong>which is based on a true story\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Conceptually, as a woman, I was really excited to explore this middle-aged woman being a sexual being, and being really comfortable with her body and being sexual—in her sexuality, being in her body completely, which is so different than me, because I've grown up in this Hollywood structure that's always telling you, \"You're not right no matter what the hell you look like. No matter how young and beautiful you are, you're not beautiful enough, and there's always something wrong with your body, and there's always something wrong with the way you look.\" So the idea to play a middle-aged woman who is unapologetic about her sexuality was very exciting to me.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On growing up in a household in which multiple religions were practiced \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>My mom was Jewish, and my dad was Muslim, and I went to Catholic school, and I wanted to be a nun, and at one point my brother was Buddhist. My parents believed there was only one God, and that really we all had the right as people to decide spiritually what our own paths were. ... We were raised to really respect all religions and all peaceful people—people [that] love God and even people that don't love God. We were raised to have a lot of tolerance for religious differences.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On her father's conversion to Islam \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At one point my dad said, \"You know what? I'm going to convert to Judaism.\" And [my mom] said, \"Oh that's great.\" And so he went to go convert, and he got lost, and he came home, and he said, \"Hey, I have something to tell you. I converted to Islam today.\" She said, \"Only you! You've got to be kidding me.\" ... He said, \"You know, I got lost, and I ended up at this mosque, and I went in to ask for directions, and I ended up talking to the imam. And then we got into a really deep conversation about religion and it really felt right. And so that's what I did.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On walking away from a role early in her career, shortly after giving birth to her first child \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The premise [of the project] is that there is a camera in a closet, and this guy secretly tapes women he's with. ... I said [to the director], \"Well what do you want to see?\" Meanwhile, I'm breastfeeding, you know? So I was feeling pretty vulnerable. He was like, \"I don't know, I just want you to sign something saying you'll do whatever we want.\" I was like, \"I can't sign something saying I'll do whatever you want. What do you want to see? This camera's not moving around; it's in a closet. What exactly do you want to see?\" And he said he wouldn't work that way.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so, even though I was broke and I had a baby, I had to walk away from that job. I had to say, \"Well, I can't do your job, then, because I don't feel comfortable just signing something saying I'll do whatever you want with my naked body.\" It sucked that I was a poor mom with a little baby at home, and this director just didn't know what the hell he wanted. And couldn't be just a human being about it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On learning that her sibling was transgender \u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>At the time, I think it freaked me out ... the world that [Alexis] was going to be having to deal with—all the bigotry and the danger that she might encounter. We were incredibly close, and we had really deep conversations about it. [Alexis died in 2016.] And I was so grateful that Alexis taught me so much about opening my heart and understanding things that I didn't really understand from my own experience. We'd already lost a lot of our family by that point. And a part of me realized: I don't know what shape or body anyone comes in with, but I love you, and I trust you. I don't know what it feels like to be trans, but I trust you.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But there were a lot of feelings, and I think Alexis was tough enough to work it through with all of us, and let us have our feelings, and our questions, and our fears, and our concerns, and even things that were probably not the greatest. Alexis was really down for us having that whole process and conversation. ... It took a while for me. It was [my sister] Rosanna who was like, \"Oh, she's like a butterfly. It's just a transition, you know?\" And that was really beautiful.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://www.npr.org/player/embed/718216601/718340258\" width=\"100%\" height=\"290\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Lauren Krenzel and Seth Kelley produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Bridget Bentz, Seth Kelley and Beth Novey adapted it for the Web.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 Fresh Air. 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How do you fit in with your peers when your parents aren't assimilating? How do you balance your instinct to rebel against your parents with your awareness of what they sacrificed to get here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A new TV series called \u003cem>Ramy\u003c/em> addresses many of those issues. Its namesake character is an Egyptian-American millennial in his 20s grappling with being a practicing Muslim. He's also struggling to blend his religious beliefs with 21st century life in the U.S: praying, dating, working, drinking, relating to your parents. It's complicated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The show is out on Hulu, and it's co-written and co-created by Ramy Youssef, an actor and stand-up comedian. He based the main character on his own experiences growing up in suburban New Jersey as a Muslim who considers himself religious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I would say it's all very emotionally true,\" Youssef says. \"I tried to imagine a character that didn't have a creative outlet. In real life, I have these creative outlets, and I have really clear conversations with my parents. But this is a little bit removed from that, and just a little bit more at the base level of emotion. So he's a little more stunted, and I wanted to write from that place.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Ek09B9YaY\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003ch3>Interview Highlights\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On how first-generation Americans who are millennials may have it different from previous first-generation experiences\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well, I think that we face just some different economic things. I mean, I think a lot of the pressure that happens in this show is about money. I mean, we see my character kind of forced into this relationship with his uncle, this family member that is pretty intolerable. But it's clear that the only reason he hangs around is because he has money, and he has this influence over the family. And so you see somebody who is trying to do good and be good and figure out what that means to him morally. But he's also pressed to kind of accelerate his life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the cringeworthy uncle Naseem character\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the record, he's also racist and homophobic and Islamophobic. So he is all of those things. And absolutely, I think that the show isn't going to sit for everyone with the approach that we took. And that's okay. There's a lot of—there's, I think, 500 shows on TV this year. So we wanted to take this approach not to be sensational, not to offend for the sake of offending—that's not even really what we're setting out to do. And I think that many people who have watched this show and they see that character, along with seeing the other characters, say, \"I know that guy.\" You know, \"I know a Ramy,\" or \"I know an uncle Naseem,\" or \"I have an uncle Naseem, and instead of the racist anti-Semitic thing he says, he actually says stuff about Muslims, or he actually says stuff about black people, or he actually says stuff, you know, 'insert group'—and we don't know what to do with him.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so what we were really looking to do here is to not hide any of these characters, but actually set them up and show them and begin their stories so that we can trace out their arc over multiple seasons. That is very much my intention with the first season of my show, is to plant the seeds of a lot of things that can grow. So there isn't this resolution or instant karma. I think that there's a little bit of an uneasy feeling, and I think that's okay. I think that that's what's really nice about TV, is that things can play out a little bit slower.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On being a religious person, \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9R6vtcD09I\">\u003cstrong>as he joked on \u003c/strong>\u003cstrong>\u003cem>The Late Show with Stephen Colbert\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>I grew up in a town where I watched my gay friends struggle to come out to the religious community. And now I live in LA, where I'm a religious person struggling to come out to the gay community.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>I think it's something that I found early on in doing stand-up—that I could just feel a little bit of a tension in the room when I started talking about it in an honest way. 'Cause I think church is kind of a punch line, you know? Like, that sounds like the end of the joke, right? \"And then I took her to church!\" And I think religion has earned being made fun of. I think that religious culture and the industry of religion pretty much deserves most of the heat that it gets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But I think that there's a human side to why the faiths have continued, and I think that there's some really valuable things, and is my personal belief. And so presenting a character that isn't trying to erase this part of his life, isn't trying to erase his parents' culture and the tradition that he comes from, was what we really tried to do with this show. And I think ... most of the [first-generation] stories that we've seen is somebody fighting to have the ability to just be not like their family, or like everyone that's in front of them. There's almost this subtext of, like, \"Hey, I want to be white too, and I have the right to do that, mom.\" And that that feels like every narrative that's been jammed down my throat as a viewer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so what I wanted to show was something that felt more of a internal look at the character being introspective—who is actually struggling to keep his faith in his life, while also take some of the opportunities that are presented to him in the place that he grew up in. 'Cause that's closer to my life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_111245\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-111245\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"'Ramy' \" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-768x432.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-1200x675.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">'Ramy' \u003ccite>(Hulu)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On dedicating episodes to his on-screen sister and mother\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That was something that I fought for a bunch when we were presenting it to the network. But it was really important because I felt like it was the only way you could understand the world. And I think that when we talk about representation, and showing a family that hasn't been seen before, representation isn't three lines in a scene. Representation is actually when the character doesn't have lines, but the camera is lingering on them in their thoughts after something happened, and then we get to see them walk to their car. You really need to follow a character in order to understand what they're going through.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So I didn't want to just play this game where I was checking boxes by giving my sister and my mom a line here or there. I wanted to actually sit with them and experience what they were going through, and I want that to be the tone of this show. So we might not have every type of character or every type of experience—yet. But that's because we want to give it the right treatment and we want to actually represent them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On what he might want to show people about Muslims with the show\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I just want people to see Muslims as human. That's it. I don't really think that there's much more you could get out of this series, because it's so limited. We're talking about one type of family. To say that all Muslims are like this—to even say that Arab Muslims in North Jersey are like this—would be ridiculous. This is my point of view, and that's why I call the show \u003cem>Ramy\u003c/em>. I made the show that I would want to see. So it's only going to hit on certain things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I just want to complicate the conversation. I want you, instead of thinking of terrorism when you think about a mosque, maybe you can think about the characters in this show. I would love to re-frame certain words in certain settings. But outside of that, even my re-frame is not worthy of where your mind should land. It's just a complication of the conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://www.npr.org/player/embed/715290814/715774859\" width=\"100%\" height=\"290\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Eliza Dennis and Natalie Friedman Winston produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Patrick Jarenwattananon adapted it for the Web.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27Ramy%27+Is+About+One+Millennial+American+Muslim+%E2%80%94+And+Everyone%27s+Racist+Uncles&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A new TV series from comedian Ramy Youssef—based on his own experience growing up as an Egyptian American in New Jersey—is trying out some different first-generation narratives.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1555968514,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":24,"wordCount":1444},"headData":{"title":"'Ramy' Is About One Millennial Muslim—And Everyone's Racist Uncles | KQED","description":"A new TV series from comedian Ramy Youssef—based on his own experience growing up as an Egyptian American in New Jersey—is trying out some different first-generation narratives.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"'Ramy' Is About One Millennial Muslim—And Everyone's Racist Uncles","datePublished":"2019-04-22T21:28:34.000Z","dateModified":"2019-04-22T21:28:34.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"111218 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=111218","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/04/22/ramy-is-about-one-millennial-muslim-and-everyones-racist-uncles/","disqusTitle":"'Ramy' Is About One Millennial Muslim—And Everyone's Racist Uncles","nprImageCredit":"Barbara Nitke","nprImageAgency":"Hulu","path":"/pop/111218/ramy-is-about-one-millennial-muslim-and-everyones-racist-uncles","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Stories of first-generation Americans tend to stress the same struggles. How do you fit in with your peers when your parents aren't assimilating? How do you balance your instinct to rebel against your parents with your awareness of what they sacrificed to get here?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>A new TV series called \u003cem>Ramy\u003c/em> addresses many of those issues. Its namesake character is an Egyptian-American millennial in his 20s grappling with being a practicing Muslim. He's also struggling to blend his religious beliefs with 21st century life in the U.S: praying, dating, working, drinking, relating to your parents. It's complicated.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The show is out on Hulu, and it's co-written and co-created by Ramy Youssef, an actor and stand-up comedian. He based the main character on his own experiences growing up in suburban New Jersey as a Muslim who considers himself religious.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"I would say it's all very emotionally true,\" Youssef says. \"I tried to imagine a character that didn't have a creative outlet. In real life, I have these creative outlets, and I have really clear conversations with my parents. But this is a little bit removed from that, and just a little bit more at the base level of emotion. So he's a little more stunted, and I wanted to write from that place.\"\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/N4Ek09B9YaY'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/N4Ek09B9YaY'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003chr>\n\u003ch3>Interview Highlights\u003c/h3>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On how first-generation Americans who are millennials may have it different from previous first-generation experiences\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Well, I think that we face just some different economic things. I mean, I think a lot of the pressure that happens in this show is about money. I mean, we see my character kind of forced into this relationship with his uncle, this family member that is pretty intolerable. But it's clear that the only reason he hangs around is because he has money, and he has this influence over the family. And so you see somebody who is trying to do good and be good and figure out what that means to him morally. But he's also pressed to kind of accelerate his life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On the cringeworthy uncle Naseem character\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>For the record, he's also racist and homophobic and Islamophobic. So he is all of those things. And absolutely, I think that the show isn't going to sit for everyone with the approach that we took. And that's okay. There's a lot of—there's, I think, 500 shows on TV this year. So we wanted to take this approach not to be sensational, not to offend for the sake of offending—that's not even really what we're setting out to do. And I think that many people who have watched this show and they see that character, along with seeing the other characters, say, \"I know that guy.\" You know, \"I know a Ramy,\" or \"I know an uncle Naseem,\" or \"I have an uncle Naseem, and instead of the racist anti-Semitic thing he says, he actually says stuff about Muslims, or he actually says stuff about black people, or he actually says stuff, you know, 'insert group'—and we don't know what to do with him.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so what we were really looking to do here is to not hide any of these characters, but actually set them up and show them and begin their stories so that we can trace out their arc over multiple seasons. That is very much my intention with the first season of my show, is to plant the seeds of a lot of things that can grow. So there isn't this resolution or instant karma. I think that there's a little bit of an uneasy feeling, and I think that's okay. I think that that's what's really nice about TV, is that things can play out a little bit slower.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On being a religious person, \u003c/strong>\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9R6vtcD09I\">\u003cstrong>as he joked on \u003c/strong>\u003cstrong>\u003cem>The Late Show with Stephen Colbert\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>I grew up in a town where I watched my gay friends struggle to come out to the religious community. And now I live in LA, where I'm a religious person struggling to come out to the gay community.\u003c/p>\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp>I think it's something that I found early on in doing stand-up—that I could just feel a little bit of a tension in the room when I started talking about it in an honest way. 'Cause I think church is kind of a punch line, you know? Like, that sounds like the end of the joke, right? \"And then I took her to church!\" And I think religion has earned being made fun of. I think that religious culture and the industry of religion pretty much deserves most of the heat that it gets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>But I think that there's a human side to why the faiths have continued, and I think that there's some really valuable things, and is my personal belief. And so presenting a character that isn't trying to erase this part of his life, isn't trying to erase his parents' culture and the tradition that he comes from, was what we really tried to do with this show. And I think ... most of the [first-generation] stories that we've seen is somebody fighting to have the ability to just be not like their family, or like everyone that's in front of them. There's almost this subtext of, like, \"Hey, I want to be white too, and I have the right to do that, mom.\" And that that feels like every narrative that's been jammed down my throat as a viewer.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And so what I wanted to show was something that felt more of a internal look at the character being introspective—who is actually struggling to keep his faith in his life, while also take some of the opportunities that are presented to him in the place that he grew up in. 'Cause that's closer to my life.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_111245\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-111245\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"'Ramy' \" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-800x450.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-160x90.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-768x432.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-1020x574.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-1200x675.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/02153a75-bc51-4e79-9a22-d2d4d0a23152.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">'Ramy' \u003ccite>(Hulu)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On dedicating episodes to his on-screen sister and mother\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>That was something that I fought for a bunch when we were presenting it to the network. But it was really important because I felt like it was the only way you could understand the world. And I think that when we talk about representation, and showing a family that hasn't been seen before, representation isn't three lines in a scene. Representation is actually when the character doesn't have lines, but the camera is lingering on them in their thoughts after something happened, and then we get to see them walk to their car. You really need to follow a character in order to understand what they're going through.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So I didn't want to just play this game where I was checking boxes by giving my sister and my mom a line here or there. I wanted to actually sit with them and experience what they were going through, and I want that to be the tone of this show. So we might not have every type of character or every type of experience—yet. But that's because we want to give it the right treatment and we want to actually represent them.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>On what he might want to show people about Muslims with the show\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I just want people to see Muslims as human. That's it. I don't really think that there's much more you could get out of this series, because it's so limited. We're talking about one type of family. To say that all Muslims are like this—to even say that Arab Muslims in North Jersey are like this—would be ridiculous. This is my point of view, and that's why I call the show \u003cem>Ramy\u003c/em>. I made the show that I would want to see. So it's only going to hit on certain things.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I just want to complicate the conversation. I want you, instead of thinking of terrorism when you think about a mosque, maybe you can think about the characters in this show. I would love to re-frame certain words in certain settings. But outside of that, even my re-frame is not worthy of where your mind should land. It's just a complication of the conversation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c!-- iframe plugin v.4.3 wordpress.org/plugins/iframe/ -->\u003cbr>\n\u003ciframe src=\"https://www.npr.org/player/embed/715290814/715774859\" width=\"100%\" height=\"290\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"iframe-class\">\u003c/iframe>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Eliza Dennis and Natalie Friedman Winston produced and edited this interview for broadcast. Patrick Jarenwattananon adapted it for the Web.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27Ramy%27+Is+About+One+Millennial+American+Muslim+%E2%80%94+And+Everyone%27s+Racist+Uncles&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/111218/ramy-is-about-one-millennial-muslim-and-everyones-racist-uncles","authors":["2421"],"categories":["pop_3"],"tags":["pop_533","pop_3581","pop_3582","pop_340"],"featImg":"pop_111247","label":"pop"},"pop_111144":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_111144","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"111144","score":null,"sort":[1555624935000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"hail-satan-examines-protest-group-that-bedevils-religious-conservatives","title":"'Hail Satan?' Examines Protest Group That Bedevils Religious Conservatives","publishDate":1555624935,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>When they write the bible on the great trolls of history, the Satanic Temple should be on the cover. Founded in 2013 as a poke in the eye of religious conservatism, the organization has since transitioned into a fully sincere spiritual movement itself, one advocating principles of nonviolence, religious pluralism, scientific inquiry, individual liberty and \u003cem>Dungeons & Dragons \u003c/em>garb. To date, the temple has attracted thousands of members worldwide, people who see themselves as outcasts disillusioned by traditional spirituality but still searching for a sense of community and purpose in their lives. Like Mormonism before it, Satanism has become a distinctly American religion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And no, they don't \u003cem>really\u003c/em> worship evil ... at least, so they claim.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27RtJp-rhHk\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Hail Satan?\u003c/em> is a richly entertaining new documentary on the Satanic Temple's exploits from director Penny Lane, who has become one of our foremost chroniclers of bizarro Americana. Her debut, \u003cem>Our Nixon,\u003c/em> charted an alternative history of the Nixon White House from the eyes of three of the disgraced president's closest aides, while \u003ca href=\"https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/documentary-interview-medicine-science/\">\u003cem>Nuts!\u003c/em>\u003c/a> spun the salacious tale of a quack doctor who hoodwinked a gullible public into improving its sex drive with surgically implanted goat testicles. Now Lane steps from our weird history into an even weirder present: a time when state capitals are constructing Ten Commandments monuments on public grounds, and lawmakers are increasingly finding more inspiration from religious texts than from the Constitution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Into this moment steps Lucien Greaves (not his real name), an activist for the separation of church and state, frequently clad in all-black shirts and sporting a mischievous grin. Along with the considerably more camera-shy Malcolm Jarry, Greaves co-founded the Satanic Temple (in Salem, Mass., naturally) by co-opting the likeness and imagery of Christianity's biggest, baddest evil figure and applying his own philosophy to the Horned One's symbology. So Satan becomes merely an \"adversary,\" not a villain: a metaphor for questioning any kind of authority. And Eve's munching on the apple is celebrated as the moment the human race decided to embrace knowledge and develop a healthy sense of skepticism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The temple's logic is simple: Whenever a public institution passes a new law on religious freedom grounds, the Satanists believe Satanism should get a cut of it right alongside Christianity and everyone else. So when Florida Gov. Rick Scott \u003ca href=\"https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/gov-rick-scott-signs-school-prayer-bill/1221596\">signs a bill\u003c/a> allowing student-led prayer in public schools, these guys hold a press conference outside the state capitol in Tallahassee, where a horned and cloaked spokesman \"thanks\" the governor on behalf of all the Satanic children who can now pray in school. And when some public schools start offering after-school Bible study clubs, here's \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-satanic-after-school-20160928-snap-story.html\">After School Satan\u003c/a>,\" complete with devil-themed coloring books.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_111147\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-111147\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630-800x420.jpg\" alt=\"A typically surreal moment from Penny Lane's 'Hail Satan?'\" width=\"800\" height=\"420\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630-800x420.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630-160x84.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630-768x403.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630-1020x536.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A typically surreal moment from Penny Lane's 'Hail Satan?'\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Lane gets a bit muddled with establishing characters in the early going, hindered by her subjects' insistence on pseudonyms. Certain details that informed the organization's principles, like the preexisting separate organization Church of Satan and the \"Satanic Panic\" reactionary purge of the 1990s, get glossed over to spend more time with the temple's punkish stunts. There's a very good moment when performance artist Jex Blackmore, one of Satanism's most prominent faces and former head of the temple's Detroit chapter, pushes things too far in some of her more ghoulish ceremonies (not for the squeamish, these gore-and-nudity-filled sermons are shot like they actually did rise from hell); she essentially becomes excommunicated. More delving into that kind of conflict could have let us see the humans behind the proudly hoisted devil masks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yet as it is, \u003cem>Hail Satan?\u003c/em> still makes for an electric modern theological debate, with First Amendment principles and varied biblical imagery clashing in the public square. Sometimes quite literally. In what becomes the film's strongest narrative, statehouses in Oklahoma and Arkansas move to install those aforementioned Ten Commandments monuments. This, in turn, leads the Satanists to construct their own 8-foot-tall statue of a \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2018/08/17/639726472/satanic-temple-protests-ten-commandments-monument-with-goat-headed-statue\">demonic, goat-headed Baphomet\u003c/a> and ask that it be placed alongside the tablets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The showdown builds to one of the wildest moments in any recent documentary: a livestream of a (non-Satanist) free-speech activist mowing down the Ten Commandments with his car as he bellows a very \u003cem>Braveheart\u003c/em>-like \"Freeeeeedommmmm!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Freedom has its price, though. Like every other faith collective with growing pains, the Satanic Temple has had to create a hierarchical structure and lay down set tenets for chapters to follow. It can't risk anyone stepping out of line and giving the devil a bad name. But could it become the very thing its adherents despise: an organized religion? Lane leaves the question dangling in the air, but her film raises so many heady ideas that you'll be clamoring for a Second Book of Satan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27Hail+Satan%3F%27%3A+Documentary+Examines+Protest+Group+That+Bedevils+Religious+Conservatives+&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"The new documentary spotlights the Satanic Temple, an organization that stages wry publicity stunts to underscore the separation of church and state. 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Founded in 2013 as a poke in the eye of religious conservatism, the organization has since transitioned into a fully sincere spiritual movement itself, one advocating principles of nonviolence, religious pluralism, scientific inquiry, individual liberty and \u003cem>Dungeons & Dragons \u003c/em>garb. To date, the temple has attracted thousands of members worldwide, people who see themselves as outcasts disillusioned by traditional spirituality but still searching for a sense of community and purpose in their lives. Like Mormonism before it, Satanism has become a distinctly American religion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>And no, they don't \u003cem>really\u003c/em> worship evil ... at least, so they claim.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/27RtJp-rhHk'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/27RtJp-rhHk'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003cem>Hail Satan?\u003c/em> is a richly entertaining new documentary on the Satanic Temple's exploits from director Penny Lane, who has become one of our foremost chroniclers of bizarro Americana. Her debut, \u003cem>Our Nixon,\u003c/em> charted an alternative history of the Nixon White House from the eyes of three of the disgraced president's closest aides, while \u003ca href=\"https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/documentary-interview-medicine-science/\">\u003cem>Nuts!\u003c/em>\u003c/a> spun the salacious tale of a quack doctor who hoodwinked a gullible public into improving its sex drive with surgically implanted goat testicles. Now Lane steps from our weird history into an even weirder present: a time when state capitals are constructing Ten Commandments monuments on public grounds, and lawmakers are increasingly finding more inspiration from religious texts than from the Constitution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Into this moment steps Lucien Greaves (not his real name), an activist for the separation of church and state, frequently clad in all-black shirts and sporting a mischievous grin. Along with the considerably more camera-shy Malcolm Jarry, Greaves co-founded the Satanic Temple (in Salem, Mass., naturally) by co-opting the likeness and imagery of Christianity's biggest, baddest evil figure and applying his own philosophy to the Horned One's symbology. So Satan becomes merely an \"adversary,\" not a villain: a metaphor for questioning any kind of authority. And Eve's munching on the apple is celebrated as the moment the human race decided to embrace knowledge and develop a healthy sense of skepticism.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The temple's logic is simple: Whenever a public institution passes a new law on religious freedom grounds, the Satanists believe Satanism should get a cut of it right alongside Christianity and everyone else. So when Florida Gov. Rick Scott \u003ca href=\"https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/gov-rick-scott-signs-school-prayer-bill/1221596\">signs a bill\u003c/a> allowing student-led prayer in public schools, these guys hold a press conference outside the state capitol in Tallahassee, where a horned and cloaked spokesman \"thanks\" the governor on behalf of all the Satanic children who can now pray in school. And when some public schools start offering after-school Bible study clubs, here's \"\u003ca href=\"https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-satanic-after-school-20160928-snap-story.html\">After School Satan\u003c/a>,\" complete with devil-themed coloring books.\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_111147\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-111147\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630-800x420.jpg\" alt=\"A typically surreal moment from Penny Lane's 'Hail Satan?'\" width=\"800\" height=\"420\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630-800x420.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630-160x84.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630-768x403.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630-1020x536.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/04/17-hail-satan.w1200.h630.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">A typically surreal moment from Penny Lane's 'Hail Satan?'\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>Lane gets a bit muddled with establishing characters in the early going, hindered by her subjects' insistence on pseudonyms. Certain details that informed the organization's principles, like the preexisting separate organization Church of Satan and the \"Satanic Panic\" reactionary purge of the 1990s, get glossed over to spend more time with the temple's punkish stunts. There's a very good moment when performance artist Jex Blackmore, one of Satanism's most prominent faces and former head of the temple's Detroit chapter, pushes things too far in some of her more ghoulish ceremonies (not for the squeamish, these gore-and-nudity-filled sermons are shot like they actually did rise from hell); she essentially becomes excommunicated. More delving into that kind of conflict could have let us see the humans behind the proudly hoisted devil masks.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Yet as it is, \u003cem>Hail Satan?\u003c/em> still makes for an electric modern theological debate, with First Amendment principles and varied biblical imagery clashing in the public square. Sometimes quite literally. In what becomes the film's strongest narrative, statehouses in Oklahoma and Arkansas move to install those aforementioned Ten Commandments monuments. This, in turn, leads the Satanists to construct their own 8-foot-tall statue of a \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2018/08/17/639726472/satanic-temple-protests-ten-commandments-monument-with-goat-headed-statue\">demonic, goat-headed Baphomet\u003c/a> and ask that it be placed alongside the tablets.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The showdown builds to one of the wildest moments in any recent documentary: a livestream of a (non-Satanist) free-speech activist mowing down the Ten Commandments with his car as he bellows a very \u003cem>Braveheart\u003c/em>-like \"Freeeeeedommmmm!\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Freedom has its price, though. Like every other faith collective with growing pains, the Satanic Temple has had to create a hierarchical structure and lay down set tenets for chapters to follow. It can't risk anyone stepping out of line and giving the devil a bad name. But could it become the very thing its adherents despise: an organized religion? Lane leaves the question dangling in the air, but her film raises so many heady ideas that you'll be clamoring for a Second Book of Satan.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2019 NPR. To see more, visit \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org\">NPR\u003c/a>.\u003cimg src=\"https://www.google-analytics.com/__utm.gif?utmac=UA-5828686-4&utmdt=%27Hail+Satan%3F%27%3A+Documentary+Examines+Protest+Group+That+Bedevils+Religious+Conservatives+&utme=8(APIKey)9(MDAxOTAwOTE4MDEyMTkxMDAzNjczZDljZA004)\">\u003c/em>\u003c/div>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/111144/hail-satan-examines-protest-group-that-bedevils-religious-conservatives","authors":["byline_pop_111144"],"categories":["pop_51"],"tags":["pop_3577","pop_340","pop_3576"],"featImg":"pop_111148","label":"pop"},"pop_110460":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_110460","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"110460","score":null,"sort":[1554419196000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"on-world-rat-day-a-pause-to-appreciate-rodents","title":"On World Rat Day, A Pause To Appreciate Rodents","publishDate":1554419196,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>Rodents have had a terrible reputation ever since they got unfairly blamed for that whole bubonic plague thing. (\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubonic_plague\">It was the fleas, people!\u003c/a> The fleas!) Rodent reputations have not benefited since, thanks to the fact that people more readily remember \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3U83QLoATU\">the face-eating rats\u003c/a> from George Orwell's \u003cem>1984,\u003c/em> than they do, say, Remy from \u003cem>Ratatouille\u003c/em>\u003cem>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Full disclosure before we get into this: I am an unapologetic rodent enthusiast. I believe that any animal that can eat with its hands is deserving of our respect. I had a multitude of hamsters growing up, and when a friend of mine found a baby rat in a pile of abandoned toys on San Francisco's Capp Street a few years ago, I took her in and gave her full reign of my home, free range, for the rest of her woefully short life. Over time, she recognized her name and came when called, and also liked going out for walks. She was basically a tiny dog with more digital dexterity and less of a life span.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here she is with an avocado she stole out of my bag:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-110501 aligncenter\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/4423_99841439281_3496396_n.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"604\" height=\"453\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/4423_99841439281_3496396_n.jpg 604w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/4423_99841439281_3496396_n-160x120.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 604px) 100vw, 604px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Part of my love for rodents probably stems from watching a slightly surreal, British, stop-motion children's TV show called \u003cem>Bagpuss, \u003c/em>during my formative years. The mice in \u003cem>Bagpuss\u003c/em> popped up any time someone needed help. They wore tiny outfits, they cleaned, they fixed and they sang the whole time they were doing it. For four-year-olds in 1982, it really didn't get any better than this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVzAJbEkyyU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So imagine my unfiltered joy recently, when a real-life helper mouse was caught on camera, tidying up a shed in England. Little Fievel wasn't wearing a dress unfortunately, but still—the dedication to decluttering this work surface is inspiring.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1108093264467505160\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Arguably, rodents are some of the most underrated mammals on Earth. Like cats, mice and rats groom themselves multiple times a day. Like dogs, they are extremely social and enjoy playing (\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-84UJpYFRM\">and laughing!\u003c/a>) According to \u003ca href=\"https://www.peta.org/issues/wildlife/living-harmony-wildlife/house-mice/\">PeTA\u003c/a>, they are \"less likely than dogs or cats to transmit parasites and viruses.\" Rodents are relatively easy to train and very intelligent too, which is why they've been employed as badass security operatives on more than one occasion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It started in the 1970s when, somehow (and I really wish we knew how) the \u003ca href=\"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/1415469.stm\">Royal Canadian Mounted Police figured out\u003c/a> that gerbils could smell human adrenaline. Since Israel was in the middle of a full-blown terrorism crisis at the time, the decision was made to post teams of \u003ca href=\"https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/10-ways-animals-have-served-the-military/terrorist-fighting-gerbils\">gerbils at security checks\u003c/a> around Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv. If the animals smelled higher than usual adrenaline levels wafting over from nearby passengers, they'd hit a lever, alerting airport agents to the potential danger. Sadly, no footage is available of this happening, so I cannot confirm whether or not they got to wear teeny tiny police badges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While we no longer see gerbils in airports today, teams of African Pouch Rats are still hard at work, sniffing out landmines as only creatures this small and smart possibly could. Land that takes a human de-miner up to four days to cover, can be cleared by a \u003ca href=\"https://www.apopo.org/en/herorats/herorats-save-lives?gclid=CjwKCAjw-OHkBRBkEiwAoOZqlyXVkbmyvxeE0PeEdNKWdwFpx9wTcDmnlzyjddOUiQJe1MJl2D58KRoCkjMQAvD_BwE\">HeroRAT\u003c/a> in just half an hour.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Check out these banana-loving daredevils in action:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0swUc492hU\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>What's more, pouch rats have also been trained to detect tuberculosis, and can do so \u003ca href=\"https://www.apopo.org/en/adopt\">96 times faster\u003c/a> than a lab technician, according to Apopo, an organization that has been working with the tiny detectives for over two decades now. If you fancy sending the rats some fruit or some healthcare as a thank you, \u003ca href=\"https://www.apopo.org/en/hero-gifts\">Apopo can make that happen\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One place where rats are definitely getting their due is Rajasthan in Northern India. One temple there, named after Karni Mata—a Hindu sage, healer and warrior who is said to have lived 151 years and is now an official deity—is also home to some 15,000+ rats who are thought to bring good fortune to worshippers. “We consider the rats as a form of the goddess,\" one visitor \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OOs1l8Fajc\">told \u003cem>National Geographic\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \"We worship them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People are only permitted inside the temple barefoot, lest they squish one of the sacred rodents. The priest of the temple eats, sleeps and prays with the rats. The belief here is that when humans die, they are reborn as rats, and when rats die, they are reborn as humans. The priest believes many of the rats in his care are his deceased relatives. \"Some are my fathers, my grandfathers,\" \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OOs1l8Fajc\">he says\u003c/a>, \"my whole family is here.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Look! It's like Thanksgiving, but different:\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_110553\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-110553\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Rats drink from bowl of milk at the Karni Mata temple in Deshnoke, Rajasthan on December 24, 2018. Hindu devotees offer prayers and donate milk to the rats in a tradition thought to contribute to the betterment of their family and wider society. \" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-768x512.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-1920x1280.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rats drink from bowl of milk at the Karni Mata temple in Deshnoke, Rajasthan on December 24, 2018. Hindu devotees offer prayers and donate milk to the rats in a tradition thought to contribute to the betterment of their family and wider society. \u003ccite>(HIMANSHU SHARMA/AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sadly, in America, rodents are still predominantly viewed as either pests or snake food, though Bay Area rescue organizations like \u003ca href=\"http://www.rattieratz.com/about-us/\">Rattie Ratz\u003c/a> and the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfspca.org/behavior-training/recursos-para-comportamiento-de-animales-pequenos/ratas/adopting-rat\">SPCA\u003c/a> are working to make the world a kinder place for them. Happy World Rat Day, everyone!\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"A moment to pay homage to the landmine-sniffing, tuberculosis-detecting, neat-freak rodents of Planet Earth.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1554419994,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":17,"wordCount":896},"headData":{"title":"On World Rat Day, A Pause To Appreciate Rodents | KQED","description":"A moment to pay homage to the landmine-sniffing, tuberculosis-detecting, neat-freak rodents of Planet Earth.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"On World Rat Day, A Pause To Appreciate Rodents","datePublished":"2019-04-04T23:06:36.000Z","dateModified":"2019-04-04T23:19:54.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"110460 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=110460","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2019/04/04/on-world-rat-day-a-pause-to-appreciate-rodents/","disqusTitle":"On World Rat Day, A Pause To Appreciate Rodents","path":"/pop/110460/on-world-rat-day-a-pause-to-appreciate-rodents","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>Rodents have had a terrible reputation ever since they got unfairly blamed for that whole bubonic plague thing. (\u003ca href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubonic_plague\">It was the fleas, people!\u003c/a> The fleas!) Rodent reputations have not benefited since, thanks to the fact that people more readily remember \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3U83QLoATU\">the face-eating rats\u003c/a> from George Orwell's \u003cem>1984,\u003c/em> than they do, say, Remy from \u003cem>Ratatouille\u003c/em>\u003cem>.\u003c/em>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Full disclosure before we get into this: I am an unapologetic rodent enthusiast. I believe that any animal that can eat with its hands is deserving of our respect. I had a multitude of hamsters growing up, and when a friend of mine found a baby rat in a pile of abandoned toys on San Francisco's Capp Street a few years ago, I took her in and gave her full reign of my home, free range, for the rest of her woefully short life. Over time, she recognized her name and came when called, and also liked going out for walks. She was basically a tiny dog with more digital dexterity and less of a life span.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Here she is with an avocado she stole out of my bag:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003cimg class=\"size-full wp-image-110501 aligncenter\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/4423_99841439281_3496396_n.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"604\" height=\"453\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/4423_99841439281_3496396_n.jpg 604w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/4423_99841439281_3496396_n-160x120.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 604px) 100vw, 604px\">\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Part of my love for rodents probably stems from watching a slightly surreal, British, stop-motion children's TV show called \u003cem>Bagpuss, \u003c/em>during my formative years. The mice in \u003cem>Bagpuss\u003c/em> popped up any time someone needed help. They wore tiny outfits, they cleaned, they fixed and they sang the whole time they were doing it. For four-year-olds in 1982, it really didn't get any better than this:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/WVzAJbEkyyU'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/WVzAJbEkyyU'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>So imagine my unfiltered joy recently, when a real-life helper mouse was caught on camera, tidying up a shed in England. Little Fievel wasn't wearing a dress unfortunately, but still—the dedication to decluttering this work surface is inspiring.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"singleTwitterStatus","attributes":{"named":{"id":"1108093264467505160"},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\n\u003cp>Arguably, rodents are some of the most underrated mammals on Earth. Like cats, mice and rats groom themselves multiple times a day. Like dogs, they are extremely social and enjoy playing (\u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-84UJpYFRM\">and laughing!\u003c/a>) According to \u003ca href=\"https://www.peta.org/issues/wildlife/living-harmony-wildlife/house-mice/\">PeTA\u003c/a>, they are \"less likely than dogs or cats to transmit parasites and viruses.\" Rodents are relatively easy to train and very intelligent too, which is why they've been employed as badass security operatives on more than one occasion.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It started in the 1970s when, somehow (and I really wish we knew how) the \u003ca href=\"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/1415469.stm\">Royal Canadian Mounted Police figured out\u003c/a> that gerbils could smell human adrenaline. Since Israel was in the middle of a full-blown terrorism crisis at the time, the decision was made to post teams of \u003ca href=\"https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/10-ways-animals-have-served-the-military/terrorist-fighting-gerbils\">gerbils at security checks\u003c/a> around Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv. If the animals smelled higher than usual adrenaline levels wafting over from nearby passengers, they'd hit a lever, alerting airport agents to the potential danger. Sadly, no footage is available of this happening, so I cannot confirm whether or not they got to wear teeny tiny police badges.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While we no longer see gerbils in airports today, teams of African Pouch Rats are still hard at work, sniffing out landmines as only creatures this small and smart possibly could. Land that takes a human de-miner up to four days to cover, can be cleared by a \u003ca href=\"https://www.apopo.org/en/herorats/herorats-save-lives?gclid=CjwKCAjw-OHkBRBkEiwAoOZqlyXVkbmyvxeE0PeEdNKWdwFpx9wTcDmnlzyjddOUiQJe1MJl2D58KRoCkjMQAvD_BwE\">HeroRAT\u003c/a> in just half an hour.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Check out these banana-loving daredevils in action:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/L0swUc492hU'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/L0swUc492hU'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>What's more, pouch rats have also been trained to detect tuberculosis, and can do so \u003ca href=\"https://www.apopo.org/en/adopt\">96 times faster\u003c/a> than a lab technician, according to Apopo, an organization that has been working with the tiny detectives for over two decades now. If you fancy sending the rats some fruit or some healthcare as a thank you, \u003ca href=\"https://www.apopo.org/en/hero-gifts\">Apopo can make that happen\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>One place where rats are definitely getting their due is Rajasthan in Northern India. One temple there, named after Karni Mata—a Hindu sage, healer and warrior who is said to have lived 151 years and is now an official deity—is also home to some 15,000+ rats who are thought to bring good fortune to worshippers. “We consider the rats as a form of the goddess,\" one visitor \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OOs1l8Fajc\">told \u003cem>National Geographic\u003c/em>\u003c/a>. \"We worship them.”\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>People are only permitted inside the temple barefoot, lest they squish one of the sacred rodents. The priest of the temple eats, sleeps and prays with the rats. The belief here is that when humans die, they are reborn as rats, and when rats die, they are reborn as humans. The priest believes many of the rats in his care are his deceased relatives. \"Some are my fathers, my grandfathers,\" \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OOs1l8Fajc\">he says\u003c/a>, \"my whole family is here.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Look! It's like Thanksgiving, but different:\u003c/p>\n\u003cfigure id=\"attachment_110553\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 800px\">\u003cimg class=\"size-medium wp-image-110553\" src=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-800x533.jpg\" alt=\"Rats drink from bowl of milk at the Karni Mata temple in Deshnoke, Rajasthan on December 24, 2018. Hindu devotees offer prayers and donate milk to the rats in a tradition thought to contribute to the betterment of their family and wider society. \" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-800x533.jpg 800w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-160x107.jpg 160w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-768x512.jpg 768w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-1020x680.jpg 1020w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566-1920x1280.jpg 1920w, https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/12/2019/03/GettyImages-1074715566.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rats drink from bowl of milk at the Karni Mata temple in Deshnoke, Rajasthan on December 24, 2018. Hindu devotees offer prayers and donate milk to the rats in a tradition thought to contribute to the betterment of their family and wider society. \u003ccite>(HIMANSHU SHARMA/AFP/Getty Images)\u003c/cite>\u003c/figcaption>\u003c/figure>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Sadly, in America, rodents are still predominantly viewed as either pests or snake food, though Bay Area rescue organizations like \u003ca href=\"http://www.rattieratz.com/about-us/\">Rattie Ratz\u003c/a> and the \u003ca href=\"https://www.sfspca.org/behavior-training/recursos-para-comportamiento-de-animales-pequenos/ratas/adopting-rat\">SPCA\u003c/a> are working to make the world a kinder place for them. Happy World Rat Day, everyone!\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/110460/on-world-rat-day-a-pause-to-appreciate-rodents","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_6","pop_5"],"tags":["pop_3135","pop_3426","pop_3341","pop_3516","pop_3342","pop_3513","pop_3512","pop_340"],"featImg":"pop_110554","label":"pop"},"pop_106725":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_106725","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"106725","score":null,"sort":[1543876154000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"i-accidentally-bought-an-evangelical-ipod-and-things-got-a-little-weird","title":"I Accidentally Bought an Evangelical iPod, and Things Got a Little Weird...","publishDate":1543876154,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>The $30 refurbished iPod I'd recently bought arrived one morning as I was on my way out the door. It came from \u003ca href=\"https://www.decluttr.com/\">dcluttr\u003c/a>, a website where people sell their old but still functioning tech. Turning it on, I was surprised to find that it was still full of someone else's music, but I figured I might as well take \"Michael's iPod\" out for a spin anyway. My tastes are pretty eclectic, so chances were good that I'd find something that I liked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I scrolled to \"Compilations\" (it seemed like the safest bet), hit play and was greeted by a heartfelt ballad with a country twinge. \"Not my favorite genre,\" I thought, \"but, hey, I can live with it for a commute.\" After about a minute, I pulled the Nano out of my pocket to figure out what I was hearing. The track was titled \"At the Cross\" and the artist was listed simply as \"Hillsong.\" I gasped. A few months before, I'd written an article about how \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pop/104409/how-justin-bieber-and-chris-pratts-favorite-church-is-taking-over-the-world\">Justin Bieber and Chris Pratt's favorite church—yes, Hillsong—was taking over the world\u003c/a>. And now, here it was in my unsuspecting earholes, entirely by happenstance.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOY0mjjmx8Y\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I scrolled through artist after artist on Michael's iPod and found that every song's theme was the same. \"\u003cem>And I know that there will come a day,\" \u003c/em>a band named Third Day crooned at me, \u003cem>\"When the Lord will call His own away / To a place that He has made for all of us.\u003c/em>\" Michael had sent me an iPod that was filled to the brim with Jesus. As an agnostic who spent 13 years being educated by (really mean) nuns, I remembered that it was Archangel Michael who forced Satan out of heaven in the book of Revelations. Was \"Michael's iPod\" here to push Satan out of my record collection?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyGxhh6Buow\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is something that feels inherently intrusive about listening to someone else's music collection. Examining other people's playlists can be a deeply personal window into their loves, woes and recreational habits. I felt like I had broken into Michael's house, but the only thing I'd found was a stack of bibles and a crucifix. Never before had I encountered single-minded purity like it. Michael didn't listen to any music by popular Christians—no old-school Katy Perry, no new-school Justin Bieber, no Creed, not even any Amy Grant—he only listened to music \u003cem>about\u003c/em> Christ. And I had never realized that there was a difference—and a big one at that—between the two.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While I'm sure absorbing huge chunks of this kind of music all at once was a factor, I found myself literally amazed by how intense worship songs can get. It dawned on me that most church-avoiders like myself literally never experience this kind of ecstatic religious fervor. The deeper I got into the iPod, the more I started questioning my own existence. Was this particular device sent to me for a reason? Was God, in His wisdom, trying to reach me? Why \u003cem>had\u003c/em> I forsaken the teachings of the convent?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After a couple of hours, exhausted, and in the middle of a burgeoning existential crisis, I forced myself to step away from the iPod. Michael was in my head now, along with artists like \u003ca href=\"http://mercyme.org/\">MercyMe\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.jjheller.com/\">JJ Heller\u003c/a> (literally the most wholesome music I have ever heard in my life) and something called The Hoppers that legitimately messed me up for a minute, because, well... just take a look:\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2j5uq0rYXA\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I decided to email dcluttr.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My understanding when purchasing this item,\" I wrote, \"was that it would be restored to factory settings. It is, in fact, full of someone else's intensely religious music. Can somebody over there, (a) send me clear, simple instructions on how to get it back to factory settings, or (b) send a priest to my house to convert me to Catholicism? (I would strongly prefer the former option.)\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I waited five days and received no response. Paranoia started to set in. What if my email to dcluttr had gone to a member of their customer service department who was a Christian? Maybe they, and Michael, and even Jesus himself, wanted me to keep this iPod as it was.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Christian music, after all, is enormously popular. In 2008, \u003ca href=\"https://www.statista.com/statistics/188910/us-music-album-sales-by-genre-2010/\">Christian music sales rivaled those of hip-hop\u003c/a>. In 2014, as a genre, it \u003ca href=\"http://thesoundopinion.com/2015/05/14/16-things-we-learned-at-the-music-biz-2015-gospelchristian-music-meetup/\">outsold\u003c/a> Latin and Jazz combined. \u003ca href=\"https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2015/06/27/gma-research-shows-popularity-christian-music/29353693/\">Gospel Music Association research\u003c/a> found that 215 million people—or 68 percent of Americans—had listened to Christian music in the last month. Michael's collection might have been alien to me, but there's a whole world going on out there that secular folks have absolutely no idea about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, I called dcluttr and they told me that restoring devices to factory settings is always the responsibility of the original owner, not them. So while there was a possibility that Michael left his collection behind on purpose as an exercise in spreading God's word, in all likelihood, he probably just couldn't be bothered to do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So I did what I should've done in the first place and figured out how to wipe Michael's God Machine myself. I'll admit to feeling a twinge of guilt replacing the Hillsong collection with Hope Conspiracy's back catalog (including an album called \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp3B5K5vh1g&list=PLfzxJ9g_aHtUZ_mbMODDmaa4jlzAEA8rG\">\u003cem>True Nihilist),\u003c/em>\u003c/a> but I also felt redemption when I added \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeonBmeFR8o\">Beyoncé's \u003cem>Lemonade\u003c/em>\u003c/a>—because if that album isn't the Lord's work, I don't know what is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad floatright]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While it didn't become a religious experience per se, buying Michael's iPod ended up being quite an educational one. It had been 20 years since I had this much contact with Jesus, and it was momentarily interesting to check back in again. While I remain in awe of the faith my ears witnessed, I do feel palpable relief having rid myself of the iPod's holy contents. If it really is true that God moves in mysterious ways, I imagine He won't mind hearing a little Britney now and again.\u003c/p>\n\n","blocks":[],"excerpt":"Christians say God is in everything, but I didn't expect him to show up in my secondhand iPod.","status":"publish","parent":0,"modified":1543876154,"stats":{"hasAudio":false,"hasVideo":true,"hasChartOrMap":false,"iframeSrcs":[],"hasGoogleForm":false,"hasGallery":false,"hasHearkenModule":false,"hasPolis":false,"paragraphCount":15,"wordCount":1069},"headData":{"title":"I Accidentally Bought an Evangelical iPod, and Things Got a Little Weird... | KQED","description":"Christians say God is in everything, but I didn't expect him to show up in my secondhand iPod.","ogTitle":"","ogDescription":"","ogImgId":"","twTitle":"","twDescription":"","twImgId":"","schema":{"@context":"http://schema.org","@type":"Article","headline":"I Accidentally Bought an Evangelical iPod, and Things Got a Little Weird...","datePublished":"2018-12-03T22:29:14.000Z","dateModified":"2018-12-03T22:29:14.000Z","image":"https://cdn.kqed.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/KQED-OG-Image@1x.png"}},"disqusIdentifier":"106725 https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/?p=106725","disqusUrl":"https://ww2.kqed.org/pop/2018/12/03/i-accidentally-bought-an-evangelical-ipod-and-things-got-a-little-weird/","disqusTitle":"I Accidentally Bought an Evangelical iPod, and Things Got a Little Weird...","path":"/pop/106725/i-accidentally-bought-an-evangelical-ipod-and-things-got-a-little-weird","audioTrackLength":null,"parsedContent":[{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003cp>The $30 refurbished iPod I'd recently bought arrived one morning as I was on my way out the door. It came from \u003ca href=\"https://www.decluttr.com/\">dcluttr\u003c/a>, a website where people sell their old but still functioning tech. Turning it on, I was surprised to find that it was still full of someone else's music, but I figured I might as well take \"Michael's iPod\" out for a spin anyway. My tastes are pretty eclectic, so chances were good that I'd find something that I liked.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I scrolled to \"Compilations\" (it seemed like the safest bet), hit play and was greeted by a heartfelt ballad with a country twinge. \"Not my favorite genre,\" I thought, \"but, hey, I can live with it for a commute.\" After about a minute, I pulled the Nano out of my pocket to figure out what I was hearing. The track was titled \"At the Cross\" and the artist was listed simply as \"Hillsong.\" I gasped. A few months before, I'd written an article about how \u003ca href=\"https://www.kqed.org/pop/104409/how-justin-bieber-and-chris-pratts-favorite-church-is-taking-over-the-world\">Justin Bieber and Chris Pratt's favorite church—yes, Hillsong—was taking over the world\u003c/a>. And now, here it was in my unsuspecting earholes, entirely by happenstance.\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/eOY0mjjmx8Y'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/eOY0mjjmx8Y'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>I scrolled through artist after artist on Michael's iPod and found that every song's theme was the same. \"\u003cem>And I know that there will come a day,\" \u003c/em>a band named Third Day crooned at me, \u003cem>\"When the Lord will call His own away / To a place that He has made for all of us.\u003c/em>\" Michael had sent me an iPod that was filled to the brim with Jesus. As an agnostic who spent 13 years being educated by (really mean) nuns, I remembered that it was Archangel Michael who forced Satan out of heaven in the book of Revelations. Was \"Michael's iPod\" here to push Satan out of my record collection?\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/qyGxhh6Buow'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/qyGxhh6Buow'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"fullwidth"},"numeric":["fullwidth"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>There is something that feels inherently intrusive about listening to someone else's music collection. Examining other people's playlists can be a deeply personal window into their loves, woes and recreational habits. I felt like I had broken into Michael's house, but the only thing I'd found was a stack of bibles and a crucifix. Never before had I encountered single-minded purity like it. Michael didn't listen to any music by popular Christians—no old-school Katy Perry, no new-school Justin Bieber, no Creed, not even any Amy Grant—he only listened to music \u003cem>about\u003c/em> Christ. And I had never realized that there was a difference—and a big one at that—between the two.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While I'm sure absorbing huge chunks of this kind of music all at once was a factor, I found myself literally amazed by how intense worship songs can get. It dawned on me that most church-avoiders like myself literally never experience this kind of ecstatic religious fervor. The deeper I got into the iPod, the more I started questioning my own existence. Was this particular device sent to me for a reason? Was God, in His wisdom, trying to reach me? Why \u003cem>had\u003c/em> I forsaken the teachings of the convent?\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>After a couple of hours, exhausted, and in the middle of a burgeoning existential crisis, I forced myself to step away from the iPod. Michael was in my head now, along with artists like \u003ca href=\"http://mercyme.org/\">MercyMe\u003c/a>, \u003ca href=\"https://www.jjheller.com/\">JJ Heller\u003c/a> (literally the most wholesome music I have ever heard in my life) and something called The Hoppers that legitimately messed me up for a minute, because, well... just take a look:\u003c/p>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutube'>\n \u003cspan class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__embedYoutubeInside'>\n \u003ciframe\n loading='lazy'\n class='utils-parseShortcode-shortcodes-__youtubeShortcode__youtubePlayer'\n type='text/html'\n src='//www.youtube.com/embed/K2j5uq0rYXA'\n title='//www.youtube.com/embed/K2j5uq0rYXA'\n allowfullscreen='true'\n style='border:0;'>\u003c/iframe>\n \u003c/span>\n \u003c/span>\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003cp>I decided to email dcluttr.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"My understanding when purchasing this item,\" I wrote, \"was that it would be restored to factory settings. It is, in fact, full of someone else's intensely religious music. Can somebody over there, (a) send me clear, simple instructions on how to get it back to factory settings, or (b) send a priest to my house to convert me to Catholicism? (I would strongly prefer the former option.)\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>I waited five days and received no response. Paranoia started to set in. What if my email to dcluttr had gone to a member of their customer service department who was a Christian? Maybe they, and Michael, and even Jesus himself, wanted me to keep this iPod as it was.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Christian music, after all, is enormously popular. In 2008, \u003ca href=\"https://www.statista.com/statistics/188910/us-music-album-sales-by-genre-2010/\">Christian music sales rivaled those of hip-hop\u003c/a>. In 2014, as a genre, it \u003ca href=\"http://thesoundopinion.com/2015/05/14/16-things-we-learned-at-the-music-biz-2015-gospelchristian-music-meetup/\">outsold\u003c/a> Latin and Jazz combined. \u003ca href=\"https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2015/06/27/gma-research-shows-popularity-christian-music/29353693/\">Gospel Music Association research\u003c/a> found that 215 million people—or 68 percent of Americans—had listened to Christian music in the last month. Michael's collection might have been alien to me, but there's a whole world going on out there that secular folks have absolutely no idea about.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In the end, I called dcluttr and they told me that restoring devices to factory settings is always the responsibility of the original owner, not them. So while there was a possibility that Michael left his collection behind on purpose as an exercise in spreading God's word, in all likelihood, he probably just couldn't be bothered to do it.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>So I did what I should've done in the first place and figured out how to wipe Michael's God Machine myself. I'll admit to feeling a twinge of guilt replacing the Hillsong collection with Hope Conspiracy's back catalog (including an album called \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp3B5K5vh1g&list=PLfzxJ9g_aHtUZ_mbMODDmaa4jlzAEA8rG\">\u003cem>True Nihilist),\u003c/em>\u003c/a> but I also felt redemption when I added \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeonBmeFR8o\">Beyoncé's \u003cem>Lemonade\u003c/em>\u003c/a>—because if that album isn't the Lord's work, I don't know what is.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003c/div>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}},{"type":"component","content":"","name":"ad","attributes":{"named":{"label":"floatright"},"numeric":["floatright"]}},{"type":"contentString","content":"\u003cdiv class=\"post-body\">\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>While it didn't become a religious experience per se, buying Michael's iPod ended up being quite an educational one. It had been 20 years since I had this much contact with Jesus, and it was momentarily interesting to check back in again. While I remain in awe of the faith my ears witnessed, I do feel palpable relief having rid myself of the iPod's holy contents. If it really is true that God moves in mysterious ways, I imagine He won't mind hearing a little Britney now and again.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003c/div>\u003c/p>","attributes":{"named":{},"numeric":[]}}],"link":"/pop/106725/i-accidentally-bought-an-evangelical-ipod-and-things-got-a-little-weird","authors":["11242"],"categories":["pop_4"],"tags":["pop_3341","pop_340"],"featImg":"pop_106730","label":"pop"},"pop_107405":{"type":"posts","id":"pop_107405","meta":{"index":"posts_1591205157","site":"pop","id":"107405","score":null,"sort":[1542055217000]},"guestAuthors":[],"slug":"in-another-chilling-adventure-sabrina-is-getting-sued-by-satanists","title":"In Another Chilling Adventure, 'Sabrina' is Getting Sued by Satanists","publishDate":1542055217,"format":"standard","headTitle":"KQED Pop | KQED Arts","labelTerm":{"site":"pop"},"content":"\u003cp>Just months after a statue of Baphomet grabbed national headlines while \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2018/08/17/639726472/satanic-temple-protests-ten-commandments-monument-with-goat-headed-statue\">briefly appearing\u003c/a> outside the Arkansas State Capitol, the winged, goat-headed creature has stepped back into the spotlight—this time, taking its starring turn in the courts.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Satanic Temple has sued Netflix and Warner Bros. in a New York federal court, alleging that the media giants lifted and misused its distinctive icon. The organization filed a complaint Thursday saying its copyrighted statue design, known as \u003cem>Baphomet with Children,\u003c/em> appeared without its permission in \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/2018/10/19/657536244/chilling-adventures-of-sabrina-is-wicked-good\">Chilling Adventures of Sabrina\u003c/a>, a new streaming series released on Netflix last month.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybKUX6thF8Q&t=73s\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The temple claims that by doing so, the companies committed copyright infringement, violated its trademark and injured the organization's business reputation. All told, it is demanding relief on the order of more than $150 million.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\"Among other things, TST [the Satanic Temple] designed and commissioned the TST Baphomet with Children to be a central part of its efforts to promote First Amendment values of separation of church and state and equal protection,\" the complaint explains. \"Defendants' prominent use of this symbol as the central focal point of the school associated with evil, cannibalism and murder blurs and tarnishes the TST Baphomet with Children as a mark of TST.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>[ad fullwidth]\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>When contacted for comment, Netflix referred NPR's request to Warner Bros.—which, in turn, declined to offer a statement.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The Satanic Temple argument hinges largely on a side-by-side comparison of the two images. Both feature a young boy and girl gazing admiringly at the seated deity, which has two fingers raised to the sky as it stares straight ahead. What's more, the plaintiff notes that unlike previous depictions, the \u003cem>Sabrina\u003c/em> version uses \"an exposed male chest, instead of exposed large voluptuous female breasts\"—a characteristic the Satanic Temple claims to be its own original contribution.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Temple co-founder and spokesperson Lucien Greaves presented the two versions together in a tweet earlier this week \"\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/LucienGreaves/status/1057418640243466242\">for purposes of comparison\u003c/a>.\"\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>https://twitter.com/LucienGreaves/status/1057418640243466242?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1057418640243466242&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2018%2F11%2F08%2F665783412%2Fsatanists-sue-netflix-warner-bros-for-150m-saying-sabrina-copied-their-statue\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The statue may look familiar—and not just for \u003cem>Sabrina \u003c/em>viewers.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Back in August, the Satanic Temple made a national splash with its protest of a Ten Commandments monument that had been installed on Arkansas State Capitol grounds \u003ca href=\"https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/26/606029241/arkansas-installs-a-new-ten-commandments-monument-at-its-capitol\">earlier in the year\u003c/a>. The temple—and other groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union—decried the move as violating the separation of church and state.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>In reaction to the Ten Commandments monument, the temple hauled out its own 7 1/2-foot statue to take up residence on the state grounds. And it \u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/yXq835Omy7c\">held a rally\u003c/a> to celebrate the short-lived installation.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>It came down after just a handful of hours.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>Now, the Satanic Temple is girding for a new fight, saying the series has twisted its publicly espoused tenets—which \u003ca href=\"https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/learn\">it says\u003c/a> call for \"compassion and empathy,\" the \"struggle for justice\" and conforming beliefs to \"one's best scientific understanding of the world,\" among other principles.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp>The series, on the other hand, implies \"the monument stands for evil,\" the complaint states. And now, the temple is demanding redress in a trial by jury.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"fullattribution\">\u003cem>Copyright 2018 NPR. 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