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	<title>Comments on: How to make your ragu sing like Pavarotti</title>
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		<title>By: Quattro stelle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kqed.org/bayareabites/2009/06/20/how-to-make-your-ragu-sing-like-pavarotti/comment-page-1/#comment-20162</link>
		<dc:creator>Quattro stelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too like ragus that don&#039;t rely on fonds, that deliver a lighter, sweeter flavor (I&#039;m thinking of Marcela Hazan&#039;s).

Also, the pasta in the photo is most certainly not mostaccioli, which is a thinner tube pasta with biased ends and is smooth, not ridged (also referred to as penne lisce, smooth penne).  Your pasta best resembles rigatoni (greater tube diameter, square ends, and &quot;rigati&quot; - ridged).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too like ragus that don&#8217;t rely on fonds, that deliver a lighter, sweeter flavor (I&#8217;m thinking of Marcela Hazan&#8217;s).</p>
<p>Also, the pasta in the photo is most certainly not mostaccioli, which is a thinner tube pasta with biased ends and is smooth, not ridged (also referred to as penne lisce, smooth penne).  Your pasta best resembles rigatoni (greater tube diameter, square ends, and &#8220;rigati&#8221; &#8211; ridged).</p>
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		<title>By: Chef Apprentice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chef Apprentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bbebop, glad the technique worked for you. Is it mostaccioli? You bet. I know because the chefs always make an extra effort to spell it correctly when it is on the menu.

Be aware that Oliveto makes all of its pasta in-house, so their version of &quot;mosta&quot; may be closer in size to rigatoni you see in stores. I haven&#039;t done a comparison, but you have sparked my curiosity. Cheers, Stu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bbebop, glad the technique worked for you. Is it mostaccioli? You bet. I know because the chefs always make an extra effort to spell it correctly when it is on the menu.</p>
<p>Be aware that Oliveto makes all of its pasta in-house, so their version of &#8220;mosta&#8221; may be closer in size to rigatoni you see in stores. I haven&#8217;t done a comparison, but you have sparked my curiosity. Cheers, Stu.</p>
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		<title>By: bbebop</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbebop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tried this recipe today and very pleased with the results. used pork shoulder, added porcini mushrooms, and served with tagliatelli (are you sure that&#039;s Mostaccioli in the top photo?? looks like rigatoni...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tried this recipe today and very pleased with the results. used pork shoulder, added porcini mushrooms, and served with tagliatelli (are you sure that&#8217;s Mostaccioli in the top photo?? looks like rigatoni&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Chef Apprentice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chef Apprentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

Making ragus is a high art form. Through trial and error, you are one step closer to Pavarotti.

Success with browning meat in this fashion depends on several factors: The type of pan used, the flame setting and the amount of moisture and fat in the meat.

Unsure of all those variables in your case, I&#039;ll venture a guess: Your meat was lean and lacking moisture, in which case you needed to stir it sooner than you did on your first try. Or possibly your pan wasn&#039;t thick enough to handle this technique.

But I&#039;m glad you had success in your second try. I&#039;m sure your third will be even better. 

Just be prepared for some variability. Some meats I&#039;ve purchased are heavy in moisture, and they take a long time to brown, even with high heat. You have to keep an eye on the browning, but not mess with it too much. Only stir and scrape when the browning reaches a danger point. 

Keep trying. And feel free to experiment with the spice and the final heart-stopping question: Whether or not to add cream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>Making ragus is a high art form. Through trial and error, you are one step closer to Pavarotti.</p>
<p>Success with browning meat in this fashion depends on several factors: The type of pan used, the flame setting and the amount of moisture and fat in the meat.</p>
<p>Unsure of all those variables in your case, I&#8217;ll venture a guess: Your meat was lean and lacking moisture, in which case you needed to stir it sooner than you did on your first try. Or possibly your pan wasn&#8217;t thick enough to handle this technique.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m glad you had success in your second try. I&#8217;m sure your third will be even better. </p>
<p>Just be prepared for some variability. Some meats I&#8217;ve purchased are heavy in moisture, and they take a long time to brown, even with high heat. You have to keep an eye on the browning, but not mess with it too much. Only stir and scrape when the browning reaches a danger point. </p>
<p>Keep trying. And feel free to experiment with the spice and the final heart-stopping question: Whether or not to add cream.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Chee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Chee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip. I tried your suggestion this weekend to both disastrous and great results.

I followed your original technique at first of browning the meat first and then putting the vegetables on top to sweat. As I saw the fond forming on the bottom, I put the vegetables on top. I left it untouched at a med-low heat for about ten minutes and I went to check on it. What I found was that the bottom of the pan had blackened and the vegetables had not given off enough liquid to deglaze the pan. I had to throw out that batch.

I decided to try again. But this time, I softened the vegetables first but then removed them from the pot. I then put the meat in to brown until the fond formed and I did the first deglaze with wine after which I put the vegetables back in and followed the rest of your recipe. The flavors of the resulting dish were definitely much deeper than ragus I&#039;ve made in the past.

Anyways, if you have any ideas as to why my meat burned, that would be great. Overall though, I think the suggestion of deglazing the sauce a few times really does add a lot to the overall flavor of the dish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip. I tried your suggestion this weekend to both disastrous and great results.</p>
<p>I followed your original technique at first of browning the meat first and then putting the vegetables on top to sweat. As I saw the fond forming on the bottom, I put the vegetables on top. I left it untouched at a med-low heat for about ten minutes and I went to check on it. What I found was that the bottom of the pan had blackened and the vegetables had not given off enough liquid to deglaze the pan. I had to throw out that batch.</p>
<p>I decided to try again. But this time, I softened the vegetables first but then removed them from the pot. I then put the meat in to brown until the fond formed and I did the first deglaze with wine after which I put the vegetables back in and followed the rest of your recipe. The flavors of the resulting dish were definitely much deeper than ragus I&#8217;ve made in the past.</p>
<p>Anyways, if you have any ideas as to why my meat burned, that would be great. Overall though, I think the suggestion of deglazing the sauce a few times really does add a lot to the overall flavor of the dish.</p>
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		<title>By: Chef Apprentice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chef Apprentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, you can definitely freeze it. I wouldn&#039;t do so for a long time, but two weeks? No problem. Freshen it up with a little cream or butter and you should be good to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, you can definitely freeze it. I wouldn&#8217;t do so for a long time, but two weeks? No problem. Freshen it up with a little cream or butter and you should be good to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks wonderful - rich and full of flavor.  I will be trying this very soon.  Thank you, I appreciate getting new ideas on how to cook.  I&#039;ve made many sauces but not using this method.  I enjoy learning about and trying new ways to make food and create flavor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks wonderful &#8211; rich and full of flavor.  I will be trying this very soon.  Thank you, I appreciate getting new ideas on how to cook.  I&#8217;ve made many sauces but not using this method.  I enjoy learning about and trying new ways to make food and create flavor.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Lendall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Lendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks like it makes a lot.  Can I keep leftover sauce in the fridge?  For how long?  How about freezing it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like it makes a lot.  Can I keep leftover sauce in the fridge?  For how long?  How about freezing it?</p>
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		<title>By: Chef Apprentice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chef Apprentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent question. I would try starting the meat without any oil, and rely on that natural fat. If it seems to be sticking too much, or browning too fast, then add some oil. Also make sure you season the meat early in the process, so the meat and &quot;fond&quot; has full flavor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent question. I would try starting the meat without any oil, and rely on that natural fat. If it seems to be sticking too much, or browning too fast, then add some oil. Also make sure you season the meat early in the process, so the meat and &#8220;fond&#8221; has full flavor.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Rosenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie Rosenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yum! I, too, learned to love ragu while living in Bologna. As for browning the meat, do you add oil to the pan first, or do you just rely on the natural fat already in the meat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yum! I, too, learned to love ragu while living in Bologna. As for browning the meat, do you add oil to the pan first, or do you just rely on the natural fat already in the meat?</p>
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